Lord Nelson a "White Supremacist" or "NOT!"...

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Did Lord Nelson support slavery or not. I have two articles one says he supported slavery another is about a cause to clear his name... I want to point out Lord Nelson never owned a slave but while station in Jamaica he befriend the largest slave owner on the island...

His( Lord Nelson) apparent views on slavery were thrust to the fore in 2017 when writer/broadcaster Afua Hirsch labelled Nelson a “white supremacist” for supposedly using his parliamentary seat to vigorously defend the slave trade on behalf of wealthy, plantation-owning friends.


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While he searched unsuccessfully for a Napoleonic fleet in the Caribbean, Nelson also found time to reflect on the relationship between Britain and its precious colonies in the region. In the letter scratched out at his desk on Victory, Nelson proclaimed: “I have ever been and shall die a firm friend to our present colonial system.” He went on to explain: “I was bred, as you know, in the good old school, and taught to appreciate the value of our West India possessions; and neither in the field or in the senate [House of Lords] shall their interest be infringed whilst I have an arm to fight in their defence, or a tongue to launch my voice against the damnable and cursed doctrine of Wilberforce and his hypocritical allies.”

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While stationed in the eastern Caribbean during the 1780s, Nelson met and married his wife, Frances, the niece of a wealthy slaveholder in the British island-colony of Nevis. The Duke of Clarence (and future King William IV) had also served with the Royal Navy in the region, and spoke up forcefully in parliament against Wilberforce and his plans for the abolition of the slave trade. So too did Admiral Lord Rodney, who before Nelson’s dramatic rise had been the most celebrated British naval commander of his age. The influence of such men helped to ensure that the early abolition campaigns of the 1780s and 1790s ended in failure. No wonder slaveholders like Simon Taylor were keen to cultivate their friendship.

https://nelson-society.com/nelson-and-the-slave-trade-a-position-statement-by-the-nelson-society/

snip... Here is the counter to the letter....

Nelson’s actions in no way support the notion that Nelson was overtly or privately racist or pro-slavery. There are many examples that support this notion and we highlight several below:
Any West Indian slave escaping to a navy ship (including Nelson’s) were signed on, paid and treated the same as other crew members. At the end of their service they were discharged as free men
In 1799 Nelson intervened to secure the release of twenty four North African slaves being held in Portuguese galleys off Palermo
In 1802 when it was proposed that West Indian plantation slaves should be replaced by free, paid industrious Chinese workers Nelson supported the idea
In 1803 Nelson rescued the Haitian General Joseph Chretien and his servant from the French. They asked if they could serve with Nelson, and Nelson recommended to the Admiralty that they be paid until they could be discharged and granted passage to Jamaica. The General’s mission was to end slavery, a fact of which Nelson was well aware. The general and his servant were well treated and paid.
The Nelson family used to have a free black servant called Price. Nelson said of him he was ‘as good a man as ever lived’ and he suggested to Emma that she invite the elderly Price to live with them. In the event Price declined.
CONTROVERSY

Much is made of a letter that Nelson penned in June 1805 to plantation owner Simon Taylor. The private letter to Taylor was published in 1807 by the anti-abolitionists, some eighteen months after Nelson’s death and therefore letter has been taken completely out of context. Work undertaken by the Nelson Society clearly demonstrates that this letter was altered after Nelson’s death to suit the cause of the anti-abolitionists. (See the article ‘Nelson Letter a Forgery’ on this website). An examination of the letter shows the following: Nelson gives his support to the colonial system whilst also criticising Wilberforce and his allies. Hence it is assumed Nelson supported the slave trade. However the letter should be read in the context of the conflict Nelson was engaged in, and the state of the war at that point. Nelson’s view can be understood as an expression of the necessity (in his view) to ensure Britain’s interests were not threatened or undermined. In June 1805 when it was written Britain, at war with both France and Spain, was under imminent threat of invasion. The survival of the country was reliant on Nelson catching up with Villeneuve’s fleet and at the point that the letter was penned Nelson was pursuing the French fleet across the Atlantic and back trying to bring them to battle. Nelson was under huge pressure; therefore any proposal that might destabilize the national economy at this critical time had to be anathema to him (or to any commander charged with such responsibility). With regards to his comments on Wilberforce Nelson was guilty of no more than relaying a commonly held view of the time that was tinged with suspicion of the sudden evangelism of the formerly dissolute Wilberforce.


Here is this article saying the fame 1805 letter is a fraud...

https://legionmagazine.com/en/2020/12/nelson-expert-exposes-pro-slavery-letter-as-fake/

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Martyn Downer says he has incontrovertible evidence the original letter written by Admiral Horatio Nelson aboard HMS Victory four months before he died at the pivotal Battle of Trafalgar was doctored by supporters of the slave trade to counter moves in the British Parliament to outlaw the practice

The document was made public two years after Nelson penned the original aboard Victory off the Caribbean island of Martinique on June 10, 1805. It landed shortly before the Commons was to vote on MP William Wilberforce’s bill to abolish the slave trade.
 

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Here is this Historian says Lord Nelson was with the sugar plantations...

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Nelson had befriended several slaveholding colonists during his time in the Caribbean. Privately, he came to sympathize with their political outlook. It is clear that, by the time of his death at Trafalgar, he despised Wilberforce and stood in staunch opposition to the British abolitionist campaign
 

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Great research, 5fish, up-to-date as well.

Well, Nelson and Forrest have a lot in common. Forrest has a forged letter/news article sticking words in his mouth, too, because dead men can't spit them out.

As your article points out, Nelson did oppose Wilberforce and his movement because it had bad timing from his viewpoint and offered a fracture point. For him, Britain had to focus on defeating Napoleon, that was more important than dealing with slavery in one of the most sought-after economic regions in the world. It was all dependent on slavery, too. Very much like the American South. It was that dreaded word 'wait' - Nelson saw nothing but disaster in abolishing slavery before defeating Napoleon and eliminating his threat in the Caribbean. (In fact, he almost screwed up Trafalgar doing a quick pursuit of French ships to there - he figured out it was a distraction and broke off to return to Spain.)

Nelson got along excellently with the Indians of Nicaragua when he was sent there to try to find a way through Nicaragua. They liked him, too, because he treated their chiefs as he would any king in Europe and thus went further than anybody else in getting through that country. He also had an awareness of how angry the slaves were, and how they felt toward whites. While captaining the Boreas, he fell ill with yellow fever and was taken to Sir Peter Parker's digs on Jamaica - lovely plantation. The boss was gone and Lady Parker took off for New York to do some shopping, so Nelson was left alone with the slaves to look after him. Got to be a pretty sketchy experience. He overheard them discussing what they should do - seeming to settle on simply closing the door to his room and waiting a while. After all, yellow fever was usually fatal! A woman named Cuba then showed up, standing with her hands on her hips eyeing him. So Nelson told her he'd overheard the plot to let him die and that he would stay alive just long enough to hang 'em all for his murder...and she believed him! She ordered some of the servants to get her certain plants, herbs, roots. The doctor had told Lady Parker Nelson would be sick for at least two months and probably wouldn't last six weeks anyhow - Cuba's medicines got him on his feet in three days and pretty much well in two weeks. That gave him a forever interest in natural healing, herbal medicines and...he and Cuba became very good friends. She said the medicine was how the slaves kept themselves alive and healthy enough to work - since Nelson's sailors didn't have a much better life, maybe he could use the same for them! His road block to being the Adelle Davis of the Royal Navy was always the bureaucracy.

I don't see any mention of Fatima in your article. Was the one slave Nelson personally purchased and owned overlooked? Fatima was a young Egyptian teenager who was part of a harem one of the Mideastern pashas had. She contacted Nelson through one of his officers to tell him she wanted to go to England and described her life with the pasha - really appalling abuse. Nelson found the only way he could take her with him was to buy her, so he did. She became Emma's personal servant. However, Fatima's mental health was never too stable and, after Nelson's death, she ended up in an asylum.

Well, I can't see any reason to see Nelson as racist. The navy was always the great equalizer. Nine inches between you and eternity applied to all. No time tor petty things like who's too dark. Nelson's various commands always contained Indians, Africans, Malays, Arabs, Chinese - even Hawaiians! And social discriminations weren't so pronounced - the ship was in trouble everybody from the admiral to the cabin boy was a regular sailor!
 

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Thanks! I've never seen such a detailed account of Fatima before, or a picture of her. Very nice work.

It's a little funny (in the peculiar sense) that a lot of people had bad luck after Nelson's death. Tom Allen, his personal servant, also had a few mental problems and fell on very hard times. He was from a family who had, for generations, been servants to the Nelson family. In his case, however, the mental health issues might not have been mental but physical. Near Cadiz Nelson's gig was set upon as he came in to make a truce and it was pretty clear the men in it wanted the captain - very close combat. Nelson, an excellent fighter, had too many assailants and one had a cutlass descending on his neck from behind. No way to avoid it or see it. Tom Allen, who was heavily engaged himself, saw what was happening and did the only thing he could - stick his head under the blade! Whap... He was not quite right thereafter. Even though he made many embarrassing goofs, Nelson wouldn't part with him because of what he'd done. Emma, on the other hand, was cold about dumping Fatima. The two would have done better together and Emma might not have become a jail bird. But then, she had help on coming to a bad end from Nelson's brother William, who would have been a nobody if his little brother hadn't been a somebody. Nelson had amended his will to include a very sizable sum for Emma and their daughter, but William kept it literally in his coat pocket until it was too late to file it. He got it all and she got nothing.

I'm of the opinion Fatima was traumatized by what was going on where she was at - the pasha was so notorious for cruelty that when Nelson arrived there to do his diplomatic work, his officers insisted on going ahead of him. They had dinner and came back sooner than they should have - don't go there! All his servants are missing pieces - noses, ears, eyes, toes...pieces! He went ahead to the dinner and upon returning noted yep, that guy's a certifiable psychopath but he thinks I'm one, too, since I promised to fire on his palace if he doesn't make us a deal. All kinds of diplomacy! So, when he received Fatima's note, he was fine with buying her. And, in those days, it was highly fashionable for white ladies to be seen with black servants or children dressed fancy. It's not surprising the author couldn't find proof Fatima was purchased - it sounded to me like Nelson just paid whatever cash the pasha wanted and didn't care about any proof of purchase. Nor did he regard her as a slave. He treated her the same way he treated Tom Allen, who was of course perfectly free.
 
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