Lincoln Saved Democracy...

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On this board we have talked about Lincoln and his trampling of our nations Constitutional rights during the Civil war. We know about the military tribunals, the arresting political opponents, the closing of newspapers, the suspension of Writ of Habeas Corpus and other undemocratic and unconstitutional acts upon the people during his time in office. We do not talk about his Greatest Act for Democracy not just for us but for the world.

In the winter of 1864, Lincoln and many of his close advisors thought he might loss the election later that year. He knew the people were becoming war weary after three bloody years of war and history was against him as well because the last nine presidents were one term ones. Many of his closest advisors and friends were telling him to postpone the election of 1864.

Here is were Lincoln made his Greatest Act for Democracy. He did not listen to the voices for postponing the election but reject their cries. That is why history does not often mention debate within Lincoln's administration about postponing the election of 1864. In 1864 Lincoln stated "we cannot have free government without elections; and if the rebellion could force us to forgo or postpone a national election, it might already fairly claim to have conquered and ruined us."

There is Lincoln's Greatest Act for Democracy by rejecting those who wanted to postpone the election. He set a powerful prescient not just for our Democracy but for all future Democracies in the world. He set a standard for Democracies to be free must hold their election no matter the crisis their nation faces.

We talk that Lincoln's greatest feat was preserving the union but his greatest achievement was setting a standard that Democracies must follow their election schedule and hold their election no matter what....because effected the world not just our nation.

Lincoln Greatest Act for Democracy, for the World and for Us....overlooked by history. Lincoln's true legacy!


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There were thoughts...

https://www.essentialcivilwarcurriculum.com/re-electing-lincoln-the-election-of-1864.html

Oh, politicians! Oh, race of hell!” he snarled. A "nuisance, a curse, a plague worse than was any in Egypt—Were I a stump speaker I should day and night campaign against the politician, that luxuriant and poisonous weed in the American Eden."[2]

By January 1864, the "race of hell" in the American Eden was deep in speculation about the canvass eleven months away. There had been some thought that there ought not to be an election, not in the middle of a bloody fratricidal war. But the man with the most to lose in such an election, Abraham Lincoln, believed not holding one was inconceivable. He said: "If the rebellion could force us to forego or postpone a national election, it might fairly claim to have already conquered and ruined us."[3]
 

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On this board we have talked about Lincoln and his trampling of our nations Constitutional rights during the Civil war. We know about the military tribunals, the arresting political opponents, the closing of newspapers, the suspension of Writ of Habeas Corpus and other undemocratic and unconstitutional acts upon the people during his time in office. We do not talk about his Greatest Act for Democracy not just for us but for the world.

In the winter of 1864, Lincoln and many of his close advisors thought he might loss the election later that year. He knew the people were becoming war weary after three bloody years of war and history was against him as well because the last nine presidents were one term ones. Many of his closest advisors and friends were telling him to postpone the election of 1864.

Here is were Lincoln made his Greatest Act for Democracy. He did not listen to the voices for postponing the election but reject their cries. That is why history does not often mention debate within Lincoln's administration about postponing the election of 1864. In 1864 Lincoln stated "we cannot have free government without elections; and if the rebellion could force us to forgo or postpone a national election, it might already fairly claim to have conquered and ruined us."

There is Lincoln's Greatest Act for Democracy by rejecting those who wanted to postpone the election. He set a powerful prescient not just for our Democracy but for all future Democracies in the world. He set a standard for Democracies to be free must hold their election no matter the crisis their nation faces.

We talk that Lincoln's greatest feat was preserving the union but his greatest achievement was setting a standard that Democracies must follow their election schedule and hold their election no matter what....because effected the world not just our nation.

Lincoln Greatest Act for Democracy, for the World and for Us....overlooked by history. Lincoln's true legacy!


A muse....

There were thoughts...

https://www.essentialcivilwarcurriculum.com/re-electing-lincoln-the-election-of-1864.html

Oh, politicians! Oh, race of hell!” he snarled. A "nuisance, a curse, a plague worse than was any in Egypt—Were I a stump speaker I should day and night campaign against the politician, that luxuriant and poisonous weed in the American Eden."[2]

By January 1864, the "race of hell" in the American Eden was deep in speculation about the canvass eleven months away. There had been some thought that there ought not to be an election, not in the middle of a bloody fratricidal war. But the man with the most to lose in such an election, Abraham Lincoln, believed not holding one was inconceivable. He said: "If the rebellion could force us to forego or postpone a national election, it might fairly claim to have already conquered and ruined us."[3]
Timely. :(
 

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On this board we have talked about Lincoln and his trampling of our nations Constitutional rights during the Civil war. We know about the military tribunals, the arresting political opponents, the closing of newspapers, the suspension of Writ of Habeas Corpus and other undemocratic and unconstitutional acts upon the people during his time in office. We do not talk about his Greatest Act for Democracy not just for us but for the world.

In the winter of 1864, Lincoln and many of his close advisors thought he might loss the election later that year. He knew the people were becoming war weary after three bloody years of war and history was against him as well because the last nine presidents were one term ones. Many of his closest advisors and friends were telling him to postpone the election of 1864.

Here is were Lincoln made his Greatest Act for Democracy. He did not listen to the voices for postponing the election but reject their cries. That is why history does not often mention debate within Lincoln's administration about postponing the election of 1864. In 1864 Lincoln stated "we cannot have free government without elections; and if the rebellion could force us to forgo or postpone a national election, it might already fairly claim to have conquered and ruined us."

There is Lincoln's Greatest Act for Democracy by rejecting those who wanted to postpone the election. He set a powerful prescient not just for our Democracy but for all future Democracies in the world. He set a standard for Democracies to be free must hold their election no matter the crisis their nation faces.

We talk that Lincoln's greatest feat was preserving the union but his greatest achievement was setting a standard that Democracies must follow their election schedule and hold their election no matter what....because effected the world not just our nation.

Lincoln Greatest Act for Democracy, for the World and for Us....overlooked by history. Lincoln's true legacy!


A muse....
It’s true that it was extraordinary to have an election in the middle of a war, an election he was prepared to lose. That’s real courage.
 

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I found this where Republicans want to postpone the 2020 election because of fraud... What had the GOP become?

HistoryNet makes the following observation about the 1864 election:

The 1864 race for the White House was the United States’ first presidential election during wartime. Proposals to postpone the election until the war ended gained little serious consideration.

(my emphasis)

The suggestion that some aides urged Lincoln to suspend the election is also mentioned in this article from BBC News.

Now, it seems that the proposals to postpone the election met little support, and Lincoln rejected them. However, if Lincoln and enough other senior politicians had wanted the election delayed, would that have been possible without a constitutional amendment?

Would the legal feasibility of such a postponement in 2020 be any different from the 1864 case? (Note: A recent poll showed many Republican voters would favour postponing the 2020 election if large-scale voter fraud were a concern. )

https://history.stackexchange.com/q...-us-presidential-election-have-been-postponed
 

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OMG... it's true... I looked it up... How far has the Republican party fallen?

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...one-the-2020-election-many-gop-voters-say-yes

THE 2016 ELECTION CYCLE brought accusations of fake news and phony polls. But are voters really ready to put Democracy itself on hold?

Research by two professors finds that 52 percent of Republicans would be OK with postponing the 2020 elections if President Donald Trump told them it was the only way to ensure that only eligible American citizens voted. Other questions in the survey reveal the thinking behind that very startling statistic: While Trump won the the Electoral College, nearly half of Republicans surveyed believe Trump won the popular vote, too -- even though Hillary Clinton beat him by about 3 million ballots.

Further, 68 percent of the GOP-inclined voters surveyed June 5-20 believe millions of illegal immigrants voted in the 2016 election, and 73 percent believe voter fraud occurs somewhat or very often. Those numbers are at odds with legions of studies indicating that non-citizen voting is very rare.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...d-support-postponing-2020-election/555769001/

A poll found that 52% of people who identify as or lean Republican said they would support postponing the 2020 election to ensure that only eligible citizens could vote if it was proposed by President Trump.

The survey, conducted by two academics and published in theWashington Post on Thursday, interviewed a sample of 1,325 Americans from June 5-20 and focused on the 650 people who said they were or leaned toward the GOP.

The poll also found that 56% said they would support such action — which would be taken to stop alleged voter fraud — if it was supported by both Trump and Republican members of Congress.


 

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The poll also found that 56% said they would support such action — which would be taken to stop alleged voter fraud — if it was supported by both Trump and Republican members of Congress.

 
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