Indians in Eden

[diane]

we had treaties with you guys? got more on that topic? the german thing normally is to talk to the guy in charge (us govt).

Thereby hangs a tale! There were a bunch of German settlers in the middle of Texas who were getting picked on by everybody. Texas was a republic, not part of the US, and Comancheria was still a very viable nation. So, the German settlers petitioned their government (not sure where that exactly was at that time) and a treaty was done. The Cheyenne and Comanche tribes would get goods and food from the settlers and the settlers could live in peace on their territory. Those two treaties held, Germany supplied the goods and food up until Roosevelt felt it was not very patriotic for Indian tribes in America to be dealing with a country America was at war with. Nullified! So much for sovereignty...but he had bigger guns than we did...

p s
Meusebach-Comanche Treaty was one of them. I'll look for the other.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

uh ...that is the very basis of trade from the time of cro-magnon man. There's nothing inherently condescending in trading for drums or blankets -- it's a very human societal experience. How elitist to think such trading was or is innately predatory, almost as if one has led such a sheltered life they have no idea how their own food and goods are obtained.

The native Americans were master traders from before the European invasions. Examples are mound builders of the Midwest and certain trans-Southwestern tribes who maintained trade routes of vast cross-continental distances. They weren't trading luxury sports cars, but beads, shells, metal, stone, wampum, furs and yes -- blankets and drums on occasion. No condescension whatsoever.

As almost always you infer and over compensate too much from my previous comments.

Have you ever studied or ever been to places such as this, which I have?

https://www.ohiohistory.org/visit/museum-and-site-locator/serpent-mound

https://www.ohiohistory.org/learn/c...archaeology-blog/may-2020/fort-ancient-videos

 

[5fish]

we had treaties with you guys? got more on that topic? the german thing normally is to talk to the guy in charge (us govt).

Meusebach–Comanche Treaty - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[byron ed]

As almost always you infer and over compensate too much from my previous comments...

For someone not wanting responses, putting comments on a pubic online forum is not ideal.

Anyway you definitely inferred that wanting to buy blankets and drums from native americans is an example of disrespect of them. Mine was a reasonable response to that, not too much anything.

...Have you ever studied or ever been to places such as this, which I have? [painting of aerial view of Ohio serpent mound]

Yes and no. I've been to the animal effigy mound sites in this area but I've not studied them.

 

[diane]

I'll sell you a blanket and a drum, bryon-ed! Elk hide, so it's gonna cost you. Start at $600 and head upward. Got some baskets, too. Regular mush basket will set you back $300. Some deer antler spoons, earrings - so what pattern you want me to knit on that blanket? Frog toes, snake stair, river - those are either men's or women's. Got specific designs for men only. My blankets start at $400 for infants and go up from there. Got bead work galore, too! What do you have to trade? We can go traditional barter, you know!

P S
I can bead you a face mask, too!

 

[byron ed]

I'll sell you a blanket and a drum, bryon-ed! Elk hide, so it's gonna cost you. Start at $600 and head upward...

Were I in that financial or bartering* universe, there's not much I would be prouder to own and display.

...Wait a minute, can you post a pic of one of those baby blankets, just one, so as to avoid getting modded off here.




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(* I have a source for custom precision-cut gems)

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

I can bead you a face mask, too!

all 80?

 

[diane]

Were I in that financial or bartering* universe, there's not much I would be prouder to own and display.

...Wait a minute, can you post a pic of one of those baby blankets, just one, so as to avoid getting modded off here.




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(* I have a source for custom precision-cut gems)

Oooh, gems? Used to be a rock hound back in the day - yeah, I think we got some bartering to do here!

Got no pictures of the baby blankets since I haven't done one for a while but used to use the wool from my sheep. Best!

 

[diane]

all 80?

I have a big family!

 

[diane]

As almost always you infer and over compensate too much from my previous comments.

Have you ever studied or ever been to places such as this, which I have?

https://www.ohiohistory.org/visit/museum-and-site-locator/serpent-mound

https://www.ohiohistory.org/learn/c...archaeology-blog/may-2020/fort-ancient-videos

The snake is a very important animal to most of the Eastern Indians. My Catawba relations are potters and make 'snake pots'. Four greats grandpa was a ranger with George Washington and had two black snakes tattooed on his back. He was a war captain and the snakes were on his back because that's what his warriors expected to see in a fight - lead from the front there, Captain! There's also a Black Snake dance which follows a path exactly like that big mound.

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

I have a big family!

all 80 of ny masks (I have a big washing machine)