Help me identify the myths about the Reconstruction Era

Andersonh1

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Thanks for proving my point.

Reading some of these latest posts is like travelling to the twilight zone. I've seen, & read some crazy stuff over the years but, wow. Y'all have really outdone yourselves in this thread.
I never thought I'd see the day when so many of our fellow posters that we've often seen on the opposite side of an issue would be making such a serious defense of African slavery. It's a bit jaw dropping really. But it's all in service of trying to paint the American version of slavery as "the worst ever in the history of the world!!!"
 

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Y'all have really outdone yourselves in this thread.
Yes , we have... but you have underwhelm us :)... Your desire conflate and make equitable African sins of slavery with our sins of slavery... I want to point out those 12million slaves they rounded up and sold to the New World would not have been rounded up if it had not been for the New World desire and need for slaves. There was no demand for 12 million slaves in Africa. The demand was in the New World... Slavery in Africa was bad but we(White man) made it much worse...

You imply that if we had not arrived Africans would have still enslaved 12 million Africans which is false...
 
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I never thought I'd see the day when so many of our fellow posters that we've often seen on the opposite side of an issue would be making such a serious defense of African slavery
NOOO! what we are saying is you and others want to conflate or make equitable levels of African slavery with our New World slavery. African slavery was bad but we(White man) showed and made it much worse. Tf it was not for us 12 million Africans would never had been thrown into slavery for there was no demand for 12million slaves in Africa. Our system of slavery killed millions slaves by neglect and dehumanizing condition . There is no evidenced that millions of Africans died in the dehumanizing slavery systems used in Africa...Slavery is bad but we put slavery on steroids...

You imply that if we had not arrived Africans would have still enslaved 12 million Africans which is false...
 

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NOOO! what we are saying is you and others want to conflate or make equitable levels of African slavery with our New World slavery. African slavery was bad but we(White man) showed and made it much worse. Tf it was not for us 12 million Africans would never had been thrown into slavery for there was no demand for 12million slaves in Africa. Our system of slavery killed millions slaves by neglect and dehumanizing condition . There is no evidenced that millions of Africans died in the dehumanizing slavery systems used in Africa...Slavery is bad but we put slavery on steroids...

You imply that if we had not arrived Africans would have still enslaved 12 million Africans which is false...
12 million slaves did not come to North America, but only about 6% of that number.

"Our system of slavery killed millions slaves by neglect and dehumanizing condition"

That isn't true. Check the mortality rates of slaves in the 1850 & 1860 census. It's about the same rate as whites.
 

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I never thought
Look! I found this for you, @Viper21 and @Tom. I found Latin American slavery was harsher than in America...

Of the 10 to 16 million Africans who survived the voyage to the New World, over one-third landed in Brazil and between 60 and 70 percent ended up in Brazil or the sugar colonies of the Caribbean. Only 6 percent arrived in what is now the United States. Yet by 1860, approximately two thirds of all New World slaves lived in the American South.
12 million slaves did not come to North America, but only about 6% of that number.

"Our system of slavery killed millions slaves by neglect and dehumanizing condition"

You seemed to miss the word New World...
 

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Al Mackey said:
None of those examples are remotely comparable to chattel slavery as practiced in the United States where children inherited the slave status of their mother and could be bought and sold, families were routinely broken up, women routinely raped, and torture applied when production didn't meet quota.
They are certainly working overtime to justify African slavery while condemning American slavery. I find this whole conversation very strange, very 21st century in attitude. I'm sure the African slaves taken in raids that stayed slaves in Africa were counting their blessings!
There's a certain group that race-bait for political gain. For that reason, the slavery of the United States has to be portrayed as the worst that has ever existed.
 

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The point is moot, if I'm using the word correctly.

By 1860 99.9% of all the slaves in the United States were born here. They had never seen Africa and never would. They were American as apple pie. The slavery they endured was American slavery.
 

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This form of slavery is less harsh then that form. Its a weird discussion whose point seems to be: "American slavery: it weren't so bad.*"

This kind of relativism has its limit. Sherman's march wasn't so bad because he wasn't Ghenghis Klan. Southern whites had it easy during Reconstruction, because it wasn't Nazi occupied France. Practically nobody got hurt at Gettysburg because more people got killed at Stalingrad.

Enslaved people had it worse than anyone else in the United States. By design. Anyone white held in the conditions of enslaved African Americans it would have been unthinkable, it would have been a crime.



*for black people.
 

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This form of slavery is less harsh then that form. Its a weird discussion whose point seems to be: "American slavery: it weren't so bad.*"
Actually it's the opposite. The point seems to be "American slavery: the worst ever in the history of the world".
 

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I never thought I'd see the day when so many of our fellow posters that we've often seen on the opposite side of an issue would be making such a serious defense of African slavery. It's a bit jaw dropping really. But it's all in service of trying to paint the American version of slavery as "the worst ever in the history of the world!!!"
No one is defending slavery in Africa. Can you please post without lying?
 

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There's a certain group that race-bait for political gain. For that reason, the slavery of the United States has to be portrayed as the worst that has ever existed.
Another liar.
 

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Actually it's the opposite. The point seems to be "American slavery: the worst ever in the history of the world".
At least you used "seems to be," which makes the statement only stupid instead of stupid and a lie.

That's not the point. Your side brought up the racist herring of African slavery using the "they did it first" fallacy. We're showing the two are not comparable.
 

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At least you used "seems to be," which makes the statement only stupid instead of stupid and a lie.

That's not the point. Your side brought up the racist herring of African slavery using the "they did it first" fallacy. We're showing the two are not comparable.
Serious question. If African's had not enslaved other African's, would slavery have even happened in the British Colonies, & United States...??
 

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Serious question. If African's had not enslaved other African's, would slavery have even happened in the British Colonies, & United States...??
Seriously, I don't know what would have happened. Nobody does.

There were some cases of Europeans capturing Africans for slavery, though they were rare. And let's not forget the enslavement of Indians by Europeans in the New World.
 

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Seriously, I don't know what would have happened. Nobody does.
Fair response.
There were some cases of Europeans capturing Africans for slavery, though they were rare. And let's not forget the enslavement of Indians by Europeans in the New World.
Yeah, I'm aware some Natives were enslaved. They also enslaved folks themselves.

I'm just not convinced it would've come even close to the level it did (Colonies & US) without the trade in Africa.
 

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Fair response.

Yeah, I'm aware some Natives were enslaved. They also enslaved folks themselves.

I'm just not convinced it would've come even close to the level it did (Colonies & US) without the trade in Africa.
There was a huge need for labor in the New World, and a prevailing view that only Africans could withstand the heat in southern areas, especially in the tropics and on Louisiana sugar plantations. So would that be enough of incentive for Europeans to ramp up their own capturing operations? I don't know. They could not have expanded without massive input of labor.
 

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They are certainly working overtime to justify African slavery while condemning American slavery. I find this whole conversation very strange, very 21st century in attitude. I'm sure the African slaves taken in raids that stayed slaves in Africa were counting their blessings!
Absolutely no one is justifying any form of slavery. We are talking about the specifics and the differences of the forms of slavery talked. Points you seemingly refuse to respond to. If you don't understand the differences than simply educate yourself, study it, engage in the conversation, provide points, disagreements. Instead you are doing this.

Also if you are going to make a claim people are justifying slavery, at least take the time to back it up, quote the statements involved, explain how you think it's what you are suggesting it is.

I mean, I would've expected that in the first place.
 
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