Hatcher’s Run Feb 1865

[5fish]

Yes indeed. It was S&S Myers Co that built the boat for Lewis and Clark plus they were friends with the Chryslers in Pittsburgh. From the records of Pittsburgh Riverboatman Nicholas Roosevelt and his friend Robert Fulton. The book says MYERSView attachment 17820View attachment 17821View attachment 17820View attachment 17821View attachment 17820View attachment 17821View attachment 17820View attachment 17821View attachment 17822

Here the boat...

https://en.m.wikipedia.onrg/wiki/Lewis_and_Clark's_keelboat

Some details...

Building the Barge - Discover Lewis & Clark

Reevaluation of the evidence around building the Lewis and Clark barge indicates that Jacob Myers was the principal builder.

lewis-clark.org

 

[5fish]

The end of the Keel-boat...

What Happened to the Keelboat? (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

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[LJMYERS]

Tardy Drunks that like to quarrel like in the movie Deer Hunter is a very good description. Not many records on both the Myers and Walker riverboat families. Although we are said to be related to the Walkers of Doctor Thomas Walker and the Crocketts of Davy Crockett. As far as the Roosevelts it's Isaac Roosevelt, Nicholas Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt, Catholic Bishop James Roosevelt Bayley, Eleanor Roosevelt and FDR. Some of the Roosevelts like the Vanderbilts were Catholic. Everyone meets at the Santa Barbara Mission in Santa Barbara California including David O Selznick. They say he know something about the Civil War.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

O.K. guys, my only intention w/ my T.R. post was to point out an interesting-at least to me-connection between Roosevelt the Battle of Hatcher's Run and Lincoln, not to divert this thread towards a totally unrelated topic.

Now don't get me wrong, I find the subject of Lewis and Clark highly worthy and have done quite a bit of study upon it myself BUT imho it should be discussed in a new thread devoted to the topic where I am highly certain that @diane would contribute more than a few thoughts concerning their interactions w/ the Native Americans that they encountered.

 

[diane]

Tardy Drunks that like to quarrel like in the movie Deer Hunter is a very good description. Not many records on both the Myers and Walker riverboat families. Although we are said to be related to the Walkers of Doctor Thomas Walker and the Crocketts of Davy Crockett. As far as the Roosevelts it's Isaac Roosevelt, Nicholas Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt, Catholic Bishop James Roosevelt Bayley, Eleanor Roosevelt and FDR. Some of the Roosevelts like the Vanderbilts were Catholic. Everyone meets at the Santa Barbara Mission in Santa Barbara California including David O Selznick. They say he know something about the Civil War.

If you want to talk Catholics, Alta California is the place you want to be - in particular Santa Barbara. The Franciscan influence on the Native people, led by Father Sierra, was remarkably in opposition to what their order stood for but, French pirate attacks aside, it was one of the better missions.

I do agree with Obi above that this thread should remain dedicated to the battle of Hatcher's Run. Having a niche interest myself, I am sympathetic to orphan topics! These small battles are lynch pins. They are the hinges the doors called important battles hang on.

 

[LJMYERS]

Gone with the Wind, a very Pittsburgh story from O'Hara Township supported by Andrew Carnegie and his library in Fulton County Atlanta not far from Twiggs County Georgia. I have lots of records on David O Selznick, Louis B Mayer, Art Rooney, Laim Rooney Costner, Carmel Myers, Jim Thorp and the Eisenhower brothers of Pittsburgh, State College, and Gettysburg PA.

O.K. guys, my only intention w/ my T.R. post was to point out an interesting-at least to me-connection between Roosevelt the Battle of Hatcher's Run and Lincoln, not to divert this thread towards a totally unrelated topic.

Now don't get me wrong, I find the subject of Lewis and Clark highly worthy and have done quite a bit of study upon it myself BUT imho it should be discussed in a new thread devoted to the topic where I am highly certain that @diane would contribute more than a few thoughts concerning their interactions w/ the Native Americans that they encountered.

So your saying Teddy Roosevelt was unaware of what was going on out west and unaware of Abraham Lincoln and most important, unaware of the Roosevelt family line?

 

[LJMYERS]

If you want to talk Catholics, Alta California is the place you want to be - in particular Santa Barbara. The Franciscan influence on the Native people, led by Father Sierra, was remarkably in opposition to what their order stood for but, French pirate attacks aside, it was one of the better missions.

I do agree with Obi above that this thread should remain dedicated to the battle of Hatcher's Run. Having a niche interest myself, I am sympathetic to orphan topics! These small battles are lynch pins. They are the hinges the doors called important battles hang on.

What's more important is the Head Pastor to the Santa Barbara Mission in Santa Barbara was Father Thomas Ewing Sherman who was the son of General William T Sherman who was a friend of CSA Col Abraham C Myers. Even David O Selznick from Pittsburgh hung out at the Santa Barbara Mission in Santa Barbara. From the records of the movie Gone With the Wind.

 

[diane]

What's more important is the Head Pastor to the Santa Barbara Mission in Santa Barbara was Father Thomas Ewing Sherman who was the son of General William T Sherman who was a friend of CSA Col Abraham C Myers. Even David O Selznick from Pittsburgh hung out at the Santa Barbara Mission in Santa Barbara. From the records of the movie Gone With the Wind.

Sherman's son was born in San Francisco and was a Jesuit - yep, he spent some time in Mission Santa Barbara. But let's get back to Hatcher's Run!

 

[LJMYERS]

Sherman's son was born in San Francisco and was a Jesuit - yep, he spent some time in Mission Santa Barbara. But let's get back to Hatcher's Run!

Then lets leave the Roosevelts out of this Hatcher's Run story. From the family records of Catholic Bishop James Roosevelt Bayley and his aunt Saint Elizabeth Seton both buried just south of Gettysburg off RT-15.

 

[5fish]

James Roosevelt Bayley

https://www.archbalt.org/the-archdiocese/most-rev-james-roosevelt-bayley/

 

[5fish]

Larry the answer.... @LJMYERS

Building the Barge - Discover Lewis & Clark

Reevaluation of the evidence around building the Lewis and Clark barge indicates that Jacob Myers was the principal builder.

lewis-clark.org

Conclusions
Captain Meriwether Lewis took his barge all the way from Pittsburgh to Camp River Dubois in 1803. In the spring of 1804, he and Captain William Clark took it all the way to Fort Mandan at the Knife River Villages in the far west, arriving in the fall. By spring 1805, the barge was reloaded and sailed down the Missouri River to St. Louis by some of his crew.

The success of these voyages is a remarkable testimony to Lewis and Clark and their men. But this success is also a testimony to the designers and builders of Lewis’ barge. Working in the heat and humidity on an impossible schedule, these men completed an incredibly durable vessel. They have been too long forgotten, and too often maligned.

The specific location of the building of this barge seems clearly to be Fort Fayette in Pittsburgh, not anywhere on the Monongahela River. The contractors were clearly Lieutenant Moses Hooke and Major Isaac Craig. Fort Fayette was their center of operations; Fort Fayette was where Lewis’ supplies were shipped and stored; and Fort Fayette was the location of the U.S. Wharf at the time. It was the only practical location at which the semi-secret project could be carried out.

When Larry Myers contacted the Heinz History Center in 2007, his communication led to a valuable reevaluation of the evidence that has accumulated about the building of the Lewis and Clark barge some two hundred years ago. Much of this evidence supports the conclusion that Jacob Myers was the principal builder of the Lewis barge.

 

[LJMYERS]

Then CSA Major Meriwether Lewis Clark married Abby Churchill of the real Churchill family. Churchill Downs was named after the Churchills. The Churchills lived at 8 Washington Road in Rochester NY. Winston Churchill visited often.

 

[KepiBrit]

Hi, for anyone interested in the Hatcher's Run battle here is a link to a recent interview I did with Gerry Prokopowicz on his well known show.

https://www.impedimentsofwar.org/singleshow.php?show=2207

Episode 2207: “Hatcher’s Run” with Nigel Lambert

 

[LJMYERS]

For sure Hatcher is an interesting name. Although on the other hand, so is Lewis and Clark.

 

[diane]

Hi, for anyone interested in the Hatcher's Run battle here is a link to a recent interview I did with Gerry Prokopowicz on his well known show.

https://www.impedimentsofwar.org/singleshow.php?show=2207
Episode 2207: “Hatcher’s Run” with Nigel Lambert

Thanks, KepiBrit! I have not visited that site for some time, by the way, so this will be a good reason to restart!

 

[5fish]

hy this myth arose and why It’s lasted the decades is a strange story.

A time line...

After the Reserves: In the Trenches Again with a Few Exceptions (September 23, 1864 - March 25, 1865) - The Pennsylvania Reserve Volunteer Corps Historical Society

While the Army of the Potomac prepared for a fall campaign, a letter home from Pvt. Nelson Robbins (12th Pa. Res., Co. C, 190th Pa., Co. E) described conditions around the camp of the 190th & 191st Pennsylvania Veteran Volunteers. "Here I am in this land of desolation and ruin - for what else...

www.prvchs.org

 

[5fish]

Hatcher's Run 150: Crossing Rowanty Creek - Emerging Civil War

The men of the Fifth Corps received a surprise assignment in early February 1865 that broke up the monotony of winter camp life during the Petersburg Campaign. “We had orders to march, leaving our tents ‘in statu quo,’ taking only overcoats, arms, and haversacks,” wrote a Pennsylvania private...

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[5fish]

"Never More Certain of Victory": The Confederate Strike at Rocky Branch, February 5, 1865 - Emerging Civil War

Emerging Civil War welcomes guest author Nigel Lambert On the morning of Sunday, February 5, 1865, two days after a failed peace conference, Lt. Gen. Ulysses S. Grant launched another offensive around Petersburg. As Union cavalry headed towards Dinwiddie Courthouse, Maj. Gen. Andrew Humphreys...

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[5fish]

This guy led the battle from an ambulance...

He is on a horse statue...

Equestrian statue of John Frederic Hartranft in PA Harrisburg US

More information on John Frederic Hartranft on horse by Frederick Wellington Ruckstull in the book from Marcus Aurelius to Kim Jong-il, the story of equestrian statues throughout the ages.

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Montgomery Cemetery: John Frederick Hartranft | Gettysburg Daily

The gate to Montgomery Cemetery, located in Norristown, Pennsylvania. This view was taken facing south[...]

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[LJMYERS]

I am more interested in actor Robert Culp at Culps Hill in 1952 with Walter Conkite. From the records of The Life of Suzie Wong. Robert Culp was in many Columbo shows including the second show directed by Steven Spielberg.