Greatest Armies, or Units Throughout History...

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they were equaly as fond of it as the other guys wearing grey were of arming slaves
Not sure about that. The Germans armed quite a few Frenchmen in the Milice that did the bulk of the fighting against the Marquis. There was the French Legion Against Bolshivusim that later became SS Division Charlemenge. Unlike the mythical " black Confedrate soldiers" thousands of Frenchmen did fight and fight very well for the Nazis.
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Its obviously not that couldn't.....since in 1941 they produced roughly 3000 Me 109 and FW 190, after actually mobilizing in 43, in 1944 they were capable of producing over 20,000 Me 109 and FW 190 even under bombardment...........Speer pulled the material out of a basement that wasn't there in 1941?
True but it's one thing to build planes but it takes a lot of time ( which the Germans didn't have) to train qualified pilot's.
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True but it's one thing to build planes but it takes a lot of time ( which the Germans didn't have) to train qualified pilot's.
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The actually produced more FW 190 (1630) and Me 109 (2798) Jan-Apr 1945 with everything falling apart around them.......then they did in the entire year of 1941 under far more ideal conditions........because they simply hadn't mobilized their industry

As they kept winning easy victories over countries, they kept assuming a short war.......no need to ramp up production.......so when losses ramped up in Russia....there was no reserves......they actually did a rather remarkable job IMO considering the circumstances in 43-44 of mobilizing production......but it was too late
 
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Not sure about that. The Germans armed quite a few Frenchmen in the Milice that did the bulk of the fighting against the Marquis. There was the French Legion Against Bolshivusim that later became SS Division Charlemenge. Unlike the mythical " black Confedrate soldiers" thousands of Frenchmen did fight and fight very well for the Nazis.
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they didn't want them in the workforce (sabotage) - they armed everyone who wanted to fight on their side - especially european nazis. if they had armed ukranians instead of supressing them ...
 

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they didn't want them in the workforce (sabotage) - they armed everyone who wanted to fight on their side - especially european nazis. if they had armed ukranians instead of supressing them ...
Actually the Nazis drafted had many Frenchmen as they could get their hands on. Your point was the Germans weren't eager to arm occupied people when in fact they were. Sometimes it worked out which was the case in the West but not so much in the East.
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Actually the Nazis drafted had many Frenchmen as they could get their hands on. Your point was the Germans weren't eager to arm occupied people when in fact they were. Sometimes it worked out which was the case in the West but not so much in the East.
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drafted as labour not as soldiers, those from Elsaß-Lothringen were not considered French
 

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drafted as labour not as soldiers, those from Elsaß-Lothringen were not considered French
True but the Nazis had an estimated 25-30k men in the Milice plus approximately 7-8 k men in SS Charlemenge plus the regular French police were not disarmed and the Vichy police and army were armed. Point being the Germans could trust at least a fair amount of Frenchmen to be armed vs the Confedracy very few at best.
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My understanding is that the British and Commonwealth Forces together with the Chinese Army may very well have killed more Japanese soldiers in the CBI Theatre then did the Americans
That is correct in the CBI theater only. More Japanese died on Okinawa than in the entire CBI theater.
 

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True but the Nazis had an estimated 25-30k men in the Milice plus approximately 7-8 k men in SS Charlemenge plus the regular French police were not disarmed and the Vichy police and army were armed. Point being the Germans could trust at least a fair amount of Frenchmen to be armed vs the Confedracy very few at best.
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what's that 'milice'? volkssturm? as useful as scarecrows!
 

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In ACW forums there's always alot of talk of "lost cause" narrative, but when I went to school in hindsight, the treatment of WW2 was far worse......

It was essentially we destroyed Germany economically by air (when in reality their production was going up not down), then we landed at D'Day and largely whipped em single handed with a little help from GB (ignoring 75% of the German army was in Russia), then mabye a little paragraph Russia helped a little(when they had bore the brunt of the fighting). I hope it's become mabye a little more balanced since.
 

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In ACW forums there's always alot of talk of "lost cause" narrative, but when I went to school in hindsight, the treatment of WW2 was far worse......
Indeed, Sherman was a piker.
It was essentially we destroyed Germany economically by air (when in reality their production was going up not down),

link?

then mabye a little paragraph Russia helped a little
I say this w/o joy, but you need to re-read some of your history books or git some new ones.


They the Russians "helped" a shit-load.
 

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Umm didn't Japan lose 480,000 in China? Didn't think Okinawa losses were quite that high.
China is not CBI. Except for the Flying Tigers and some bomb groups, the USA didn't fight in China proper, nor did the British.
 

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Indeed, Sherman was a piker.



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I say this w/o joy, but you need to re-read some of your history books or git some new ones.


They the Russians "helped" a shit-load.
I don't disagree, simply relating how WW2 was basically presented in my HS in late 70's early 80's. It was more propaganda then history. Russia was largely ignored except to say we helped them with lend-lease........

I hope it's presentation has changed.
 

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Umm didn't Japan lose 480,000 in China? Didn't think Okinawa losses were quite that high.
Even with the 480,000 in China, the Japanese had 1.8 million total dead and missing in Asia and the Pacific. That means 1.3 million outside of China. I believe US Armed forces accounted for around a million of those. However you wish to mete out the Japanese casualties, the USA did by far the lion's share of the damage.
 

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I don't disagree, simply relating how it was basically presented in HS in late 70's early 80's. It was more propaganda then history.

I hope it's presentation has changed.

I was also shown history in this way in the 70's and 80's. But I dug deeper, along w/ the Civil War.

I wish you well upon your quest.

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I did as well, but it remains at least in my school, I would say WW2 was presented with far more bias and inaccuracy then the ACW was.
 

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??? The UCV wasn't presented at all in my HS, the major battles, campaigns, and leaders were.

Now in comparison the major Russian front battles and leaders......weren't. Even though often some of the largest.
 
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