Greatest Armies, or Units Throughout History...

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I found 5 other English outlaws that maybe part of the Robin Hood legend... Robin Hood is almost like a composite of serval historical figures, like king Author... First 3...

LINK:https://historycollection.co/real-robin-hoods-5-outlaw-gangs-medieval-england/

Hereward the Wake
Hereward the Wake or ‘the watchful one’ as his nickname translates, was an eleventh-century Saxon/Danish thane and freedom fighter that led a fenland revolt against William the conqueror.

Hereward was the son of a Lincolnshire squire. The facts of his early life are sketchy. Edward the Confessor was said to have declared Hereward an outlaw prior to the Norman Conquest and sent him into exile on the continent. At the time of the Norman Conquest, he was working as a mercenary. By the time he returned, the Normans had appropriated his lands.

What is certain however is that Hereward led a revolt against the Normans. He objected to the appointment of a Norman abbot at Peterborough- especially as his Uncle had been the previous incumbent.

In 1070, a Danish fleet appeared in the fenland waters around the Isle of Ely in Cambridgeshire. Many of the local people were of Danish descent so they were heartened by the appearance of the Danes, who they hoped would help them throw off the yoke of their Norman masters.

Hereward and a band of outlaws joined with the Danish forces to loot and sack the monastery at Peterborough. However, once the abbey’s treasure was secure, the Danes quickly made a deal with King William and sailed away. After all, they were in it for the profit, not the principle.

Hereward and his men were left alone to face the King’s men and were driven to the Isle of Ely, where they made their last stand. In 1071, William attached the causeway to the island with his ships. The island was surrendered to the king’s forces when the monks revealed a secret entrance to the King’s forces. Hereward was forced to flee, disappearing into the fens and so into legend. Like Robin Hood, he became a figurehead of resistance to the tyranny of the elite
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Roger Godberd

Born in the village of Swannington, northwest Leicestershire sometime around 1260, Roger Godberd was a thirteenth-century outlaw whose life and career bore an uncanny resemblance to Robin Hood- even down to the area of his activity.

Godberd became an outlaw after serving with Simon de Montfort, the ill-fated Earl of Leicester, who led a revolt against his brother in law, Henry III. After De Montfort lost the Battle of Evesham in 1265, Godberd was outlawed for fighting against the king-as was Robin Hood according to the fifteenth-century writer Waler Bower.

So Godberd fled to Sherwood Forest where he lived for four years. His anti-establishment credentials and military experience made him a natural focal point for the displaced and he managed to build up a band of a hundred men around him.

Godberd was eventually captured in the grounds of Rufford Abbey and taken to Nottingham Castle with some of his gang. But like Robin Hood, he managed to escape- and was protected by Sir Richard Foliot, who hid the gang from the sheriff of Nottingham-until the King’s forces arrived.

Godberd was eventually permanently captured in 1275. For three years, he was held captive in three different prisons awaiting trial. Here the story varies. Some sources say that he was tried at the Tower of London but pardoned by Edward I on his return from the 8th crusade. Godberd then returned to his farm where he lived until his death. But other sources claim Godberd never reached trial, dying in Newgate prison in 1276
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Adam the Leper

The 14th century was a bonanza time for outlaw gangs in England. Plague, famine, and depopulation led to widespread social unrest, with the peasant revolt and the rise of the heretic Lollards just two of the signs of the upheaval. Desperate times also produce desperate men and Adam the leper and his gang were amongst the most ruthless and daring of the fourteenth-century gangs.

All that is known of Adam are his crimes. His gang was active in the south east of England sometime in 1330s and 1340s. The gang did not bother hiding in the forest to waylaying passing travelers. Instead, they were an urban gang who took bolder measures

One of the gang’s favorite methods was to wait for towns to have fairs-then they would descend. While householders were at the fair, the gang plundered their unguarded homes, setting them on fire afterward. The distraught householders were generally too busy trying to save their houses and remaining possessions to give chase.

Like Robin Hood and his merry men, Adam and his gang would also hold the wealthy to ransom. However, unlike Robin, who did not harm his victims, he was not a particularly gentle ‘host’. “men and women were captured” said Luke Owen Pike in his “History of Crime in England”. “Ransom was extracted on the pain of death and even those who paid it might think themselves fortunate if they escaped some horrible mutilation.”

But like Robin Hood, Adam’s gang was bold-so bold that they were audacious enough to target royalty. In 1347, the gang descended upon Bristol and robbed several ships in the harbor belonging to King Edward III. But their greatest coupe was in London. Here, the gang targeted a jeweler who held some pieces belonging to Queen Philippa. Adam and his men laid siege to his house, demanding the jewels. When the jeweler refused, they set the building on fire and seized the jewels by force. But this time, the victims gave chase, when the King sending Thomas, Lord Berkley after the gang.

Adam was caught and brought to justice in Winchester. But his outlaws staked out the courtroom, attacking everyone who came out. They caused such trouble that the authorities had to let the outlaw leader go., free to continue his life or crime.
 

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The next two outlaws of medieval England and of Robin Hood... the next two and one has a stane glass window in a church honoring him...

Link: https://historycollection.co/real-robin-hoods-5-outlaw-gangs-medieval-england/

The De Folvilles
John De Folville, Lord of Ashby Folville had seven sons. After his death in 1310, his eldest son, John took over the estate. But his other six sons formed a notorious medieval gang that terrorized Leicestershire throughout the 1320s and 1330s.

The first of their crimes occurred on 29 January 1326, when a Master Roger Bellers was found murdered. His death was laid squarely at the door of “one Eustace de Folville and his brothers”.

Bellers was a greedy fellow, guilty of persecuting and threatening the De Folvilles, as well as many of his other neighbors. So this initial murder may have been tolerated if not secretly well received by locals and very much reminiscent of the just causes of Robin Hood. But it outlawed the De Folvilles.

However, in 1329, the King pardoned them – on the condition that they fought for him. This reconciliation with authority did not last. While part of the garrison of Leicester, the gang robbed the town burgesses. In 1330, the pardon was revoked.

The de Folvilles made such a nuisance of themselves that in 1331, the King’s justice Richard de Willoughby was sent to deal with them. Richard de Folville, “a wild and daring man and prone to acts of violence”, who was also the Rector of Teigh, kidnapped Willoughby and only released him after he paid his kidnappers 90 marks and swore an oath to “comply with their instructions” -which was presumably to protect them from outlawry.

Eustace de Folville, the eldest of the gang, managed to elude justice, dying a natural death in 1347 having served the King in the Hundred Years War. However, justice caught up with Richard de Folville when, in 1340, the ruthless rector and two of the gang were run to ground in Richard’s own church. A stand off occurred. Father De Folville killing one man with his bow before he was eventually dragged from the church and beheaded.

Because he was a priest, Richard’s death was deemed unlawful. So his killers had to do penance by praying for forgiveness outside all the neighboring churches before being publicly beaten with a rod!

The Coterels
Like their contemporaries and near neighbors, the De Folvilles, the Coterels were another family affair, active in the peak district and Nottinghamshire between 1328-1333. Led by James Coterel and three of his brothers, outlawry was just another part of the Coterel’s business portfolio. Although they were only younger son’s, the Coterel’s had their own land and property, even receiving rents while they were hiding out in Sherwood forest.

The gang’s first recorded crime was in in August 1328. Robert Bernard, the ousted parish priest of Bakewell in Derbyshire, paid the Coterels to beat up and rob his successor. Bernard had been driven out of his parish for embezzling funds and was jealous of his successor. Enforcement became the Coterel’s mainstay- not for the poor and friendless, but the clergy and gentry. These well-placed contacts-which included at least seven members of Parliament, also protected the Coterels, helping them evade arrest-and ensuring anyone who crossed them felt the full force of the law. When Robert del Ille de Wight was accused of burning down the house of William de Bucstones, a Coterel henchman, he was swiftly brought to justice.

The Coterel’s had no problem recruiting members- hardly surprising considering the protection the gang enjoyed. Even Roger de Wennesley, Lord of Mappleton who was sent to arrest the Coterels in 1330 ended up joining them! Members of the clergy also joined the gang. Some of these real life Friar Tucks were amongst two hundred gang members who were arrested in November 1331 when the Sheriff of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire finally moved against them

But like Adam the Leper and the De Folvilles, the Coterels evaded justice. Although Laurence was stabbed during an attempted arrest in 1330, Nicholas Coterel became Queen Philippa’s bailiff for the High Peak and would lead an army of archers into Scotland.

And James Coterel, the gang’s leader? Well, he ended up in law enforcement. In November 1336 as the arresting officer of a Leicestershire parson accused of illegal activity.

I will give one more historical figure that has been associated with Robin Hood... Eustace the Monk...

LINK: https://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/text/eustache-the-monk-introduction

Eustache the Monk

Relation to Robin Hood Legends

In assessing the relationships between Eustache the Monk and the Robin Hood legend, we need to consider their similarities and differences, their dates, and their opportunities for contact. Beyond the obvious shared features -- both are outlaws living in the forest, venturing out to punish and humiliate the Count of Boulogne and the Sheriff of Nottingham -- there are also a number of episodes too similar to be accounted for by coincidence or common tradition. In the first pair of scenes, the count and the sheriff come face to face with the outlaw leader in the forest. In lines 776-853, Eustache, disguised as a pilgrim, tricks the count into the woods where he captures him. Eustache offers to make peace with his adversary, but the count refuses and is released unharmed. In the Gest, lines 722-817, Little John, disguised as Reynolde Grenelef, meets the sheriff in the forest and lures him into Robin's camp by promising him a "ryght fayre harte," who of course turns out to be Robin "the mayster-herte." Once he is fed, the sheriff asks to be released, and after swearing an oath that he will not harm Robin or his men, he is let go. In the next pair of episodes, the waylaid victims who tell the truth are allowed to keep their money. In lines 930-54, Eustache meets a merchant from Boulogne and asks him how much money he has. The merchant answers truthfully that he has forty pounds and fifteen sous. Upon counting the money and discovering that he is telling the truth, Eustache returns the full amount and lets the merchant go unharmed. In the Gest, lines 145 ff., after the impoverished knight dines with Robin in the forest, he is asked to pay for the meal, and when the knight truthfully replies that he has only ten shillings, he is rewarded many times over. However, in another pair of scenes, when the victims -- both ecclesiastics -- lie about the money they are carrying, they are severely dealt with. For example, in lines 1746-77, Eustache confronts the Abbot of Jumièges on the road and asks how much money he has; the abbot replies untruthfully that he has only four silver marks. When Eustache discovers thirty marks on his person, he keeps twenty-six marks and returns four. As we have already seen, Eustache and Robin Hood are masters of trickery and disguise. In order to fool the count, Eustache, in lines 996-1141, disguises himself first as a coal-man and then a potter. When the count meets the potter, he is crying "Pots for sale!" and tricks the count into believing that the coal-man, with whom he has switched identities, is really Eustache the Monk. Similarly, in Robin Hood and the Potter, Robin assumes the identity of the potter when he goes into Nottingham to spy on the sheriff.

Although J. C. Holt admits that "some of the analogous material must have been transmitted, by confusion of memory or literary borrowing, from one tale to the other," he concludes that "the ballads are not bred in simple fashion from the romances" (Holt, 1989, pp. 64-66). Maurice Keen, after detailing the parallel passages described above, asserts that the romances "cannot be said to be much of an anticipation of the ballads of Robin Hood, except as regards isolated incidents" (Keen, 1987, p. 59). In stressing the differences between Eustache the Monk and the Robin Hood ballads, Holt and Keen seem to deny the ability of the English poets to adapt creatively characters and plot situations from their sources. It should be recalled too that the Anglo-Norman community in England was bilingual, and, consequently, stories could be easily translated from one language to another. Finally, when Holt (p. 65) claims that the restoration of a lost inheritance plays a fundamental role in Hereward the Wake, Fouke le Fitz Waryn, and Eustache the Monk, he neglects to mention that this too is a central theme in Gamelyn, an early outlaw tale in Middle English, and in later Tudor dramas, such as Munday's The Downfall of Robert, Earle of Huntington.

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Only William of Weald created a successful guerilla group that one would call an elite or special military unit...

 

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The Viking created a Military Order or a Brotherhood called the Jomsvikings. They are referred to as mercenaries usually but they were fiercely pagan and followed a strict code of conduct.

Link:http://www.ancientpages.com/2016/04...gs-fearless-scandinavian-warrior-brotherhood/

LINK: http://www.messagetoeagle.com/palna...dary-danish-hero-enemy-king-harald-bluetooth/

According to the Jómsvíkinga saga, Palnatoke founded the Brotherhood of Jomsvikings and established its laws, although, there is no evidence to support this claim.

Palnatoke (Toke Palnersson), was a Jomsviking who lived in the late 900s. Jomsvikings belonged to a Viking brotherhood of the elite warriors. In Icelandic Sagas they are described as a legendary mercenary army. This fearless Scandinavian warrior-brotherhood offered fighting skills and fought for any king who would hire and pay them what they required.


Palnatoke built Jomsborg, a huge fortress where Jomsvikings lived and trained. When he grew older, he became weaker and weaker. Shortly before his death he gave his grandson Vagn his kingdom and asked the Jomsviking to be brave, honorable and respect Vagn. When Palnatoke died, all Jomsvikings mourned. It was a great loss as no-one could ever be compared with the greatest Jomsvikings of all – Palnatoke.

The end came in 1043...

Jomsborg was attacked and destroyed in 1043 by Norway’s King Magnus the Good. According to the Icelandic Sagas, Norway’s King killed many people, burned and destroyed the city and the surrounding areas. Nothing was left, but chaos.

The Jomsvikings lived by strict code of conduct, and military discipline was enforced among its members. Each member of the brotherhood must obey the 11 commandments.


  1. Only men between 18-50 who were skilled warriors were allowed to join the order. No man was accepted without first having to prove his fighting prowess in a fighting duel.
  2. Family background was unimportant when applying for membership.
  3. It was forbidden to flee in the face of an enemy of equal or inferior strength.
  4. Each member was bound to defend his brothers, as well as to avenge their deaths if
  5. It was forbidden to show fear in words and actions.
  6. All spoils of battle were to be equally distributed among the entire brotherhood.
  7. To quarrel was forbidden.
  8. Speaking ill of one’s fellows was forbidden
  9. No women or children were allowed within the fortress walls, and none were to be taken captive.
  10. During winter, no-one was permitted to be absent from Jomsborg for more than three days without the permission of the brotherhood.
  11. Blood feuds between members must be mediated by Jomsviking leaders.
A mass grave was found in England of Jomsvilings...

The most intriguing part, were the marks on the neck and head bones. They showed the men had died by being executed not from behind but when they looked in the eyes of their executor. This execution method is mentioned in one of the Icelandic Sagas that tells of a courageous brotherhood of soldiers who refuse to be killed from behind. To look the person who kills you in the eyes is a sign of courage, and fearlessness was always associated with the Jomsvikings.

Historical notes:

The Jomsvikings intervened in dynastic disputes both in Sweden in 984, and in Norway in 986. In 1000, they fought with distinction at the Battle of Svoldr, one of the greatest Battles of Viking Scandinavia. King of Norway, Olaf I Tryggvason met his death in the Battle of Svolder (c. 1000). He jumped overboard, his heavy equipment quickly taking him to the depths of the Baltic Sea.

Remember The Battle of Assandun... Jomsvikings were there

The Jomsvikings attacked the English King, Ethelred as they had been ordered, but in 1013 they changed side and fought with the English King against Sweyn Forkbeard instead. In 1015, the Jomsvikings changed side once again and this time they fought for Cnut the Great. In 1016, Cnut the Great became King of England.
 

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Very interesting posts!
My vote for World War II would be the 14th Army that fought in Burma under William Slim. The "Forgotten Army" had a tough enemy and a surrealistically daunting logistic challenges, which they overcame with often brilliant improvisation and a lot of work.
 

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A strange addition would be the 14th century Hussites, with their trains of armored wagons, peasant soldiers that included women, armed with a collection of pikes, farm tools, crossbows and hand held, bazooka like "gonnes."
 

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A strange addition would be the 14th century Hussites, with their trains of armored wagons, peasant soldiers that included women, armed with a collection of pikes, farm tools, crossbows and hand held, bazooka like "gonnes."
A little of the story helped put a nail in the Mounted Knight's coffin... from wiki..

A war wagon is any of several historical types of early fighting vehicle involving an armed or armored animal-drawn cart or wagon.

A medieval European war wagon was developed in the Hussite Wars around 1420 by Hussite forces rebelling in Bohemia.[1] It was a heavy wagon given protective sides with firing slits and heavy firepower from either a cannon or a force of hand-gunners, archers and crossbowmen, supported by infantry using spears, pikes and flails. Groups of them could form defensive works, but they also were used as hardpoints for formations or as firepower in pincer movements.[2] This early use of gunpowder and innovative tactics helped a largely peasant infantry stave off attacks by the Holy Roman Empire's larger forces of mounted knights.

After the Hussite wars, they stayed in usage as the special tactical weapon of Bohemian mercenaries which prevailed against knights or foot soldiers. Its successful history came to an end, at least for large scale engagements, with the development of field-piece artillery: a battle wagon wall "fortress" of approximately 300 wagons was broken at the Battle of Wenzenbach September 12, 1504 by the culverines (early cannons) and muskets of the landsknecht regiment of G. Frundsberg.

A separate development were the use of war wagons in China.
One of the earliest example of using conjoined wagons in warfare as fortification is described in the Chinese historical record Book of Han. During the 119 BC Battle of Mobei of the Han–Xiongnu War, the famous Han general Wei Qing led his army through a fatiguing expeditionary march across the Gobi desert only to find Yizhixie chanyu's main force waiting to encircle them on the other side. Using armored heavy wagons known as "Wu Gang Wagon" (Chinese: 武剛車) in ring formations as temporary defensive fortifications, Wei Qing neutralised the Xiongnu's initial cavalry charges, forcing a stalemate and buying time for his troops to recover strength, before using the cover of a sandstorm to launch a counteroffensive which overran the nomads.[3]

The Guangwu Emperor (AD 25-57) introduced a ox-pulled war wagon several stories high with an observation tower, which was deployed at the Great Wall against the Xiongnu.[4] By the 6th century such war wagons reached several meters in height and had up to 20 wheels.[5]
 

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Very interesting posts!
My vote for World War II would be the 14th Army that fought in Burma under William Slim. The "Forgotten Army" had a tough enemy and a surrealistically daunting logistic challenges, which they overcame with often brilliant improvisation and a lot of work.
The "Forgotten Army" was made up of troops from Britain, Africa, India, Nepal and present day Pakistan, a medley of different ethnic groups and religions. This disparate force was able to pull together to achieve some remarkable things.
 

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The "Forgotten Army"
link: https://www.burmastar.org.uk/stories/14th-army/

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The Fourteenth Army's greatest victories were in the Arakan, at Imphal, Kohima, Kennedy Peak, Mandalay and Meiktilla. This led to the defeat of the Japanese Imperial Army and the liberation of Burma. The Fourteenth Army was withdrawn to India in June 1945, to prepare for the invasion of Malaya

link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Army_(United_Kingdom)

The British Fourteenth Army was a multi-national force comprising units from Commonwealth countries during World War II. Many of its units were from the Indian Army as well as British units and there were also significant contributions from West and East African divisions within the British Army. It was often referred to as the "Forgotten Army" because its operations in the Burma Campaign were overlooked by the contemporary press, and remained more obscure than those of the corresponding formations in Europe for long after the war. For most of the Army's existence, it was commanded by Lieutenant-General William Slim.

At different periods of the Second World War it was composed of four corps:
A total of thirteen divisions served with the Army:
Some smaller fighting formations also served:
 

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link: https://www.burmastar.org.uk/stories/14th-army/

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The Fourteenth Army's greatest victories were in the Arakan, at Imphal, Kohima, Kennedy Peak, Mandalay and Meiktilla. This led to the defeat of the Japanese Imperial Army and the liberation of Burma. The Fourteenth Army was withdrawn to India in June 1945, to prepare for the invasion of Malaya

link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Army_(United_Kingdom)

The British Fourteenth Army was a multi-national force comprising units from Commonwealth countries during World War II. Many of its units were from the Indian Army as well as British units and there were also significant contributions from West and East African divisions within the British Army. It was often referred to as the "Forgotten Army" because its operations in the Burma Campaign were overlooked by the contemporary press, and remained more obscure than those of the corresponding formations in Europe for long after the war. For most of the Army's existence, it was commanded by Lieutenant-General William Slim.

At different periods of the Second World War it was composed of four corps:
A total of thirteen divisions served with the Army:
Some smaller fighting formations also served:
The classic account of the 14th Army is William Slim's memoir of the war "Defeat into Victory."
 

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The Viking keep on giving to this thread... Housecarl (Royal Guard) Anglo-Saxon... wiki

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housecarl

The institution originated among the Norsemen of Scandinavia, and was brought to Anglo-Saxon England by the Danish conquest in the 11th century. They were well-trained, and paid as full-time soldiers. In England, the royal housecarls had a number of roles, both military and administrative, and they fought under Harold Godwinson at the Battle of Hastings.

Housecarl is a calque of the original Old Norse term, húskarl, which literally means "house man". Karl is cognate to the Old English churl, or ceorl, meaning a man, or a non-servile peasant.[2] The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle uses hiredmenn as a term for all paid warriors and thus is applied to housecarl, but it also refers to butsecarls[a] and lithsmen. It is not clear whether these were types of housecarl or different altogether.

Because the main sources on Cnut's housecarls were written at least one century after Cnut's reign, there are several theories about the exact nature and role of these housecarls. Cnut is said to have retained 3,000 to 4,000 men with him in England, to serve as his bodyguard. One theory is that these men were Cnut's housecarls, and that they served as a well-equipped, disciplined, professional, and quite numerous (for the time) standing army at the service of the king.[1] However, another theory is that there was nothing like an important, standing, royal army in 11th century Anglo-Saxon England.


There an argument against it being a standing army... wiki

One reason to doubt the existence of a standing army made of housecarls is that, when there was a revolt in 1051, under the reign of Edward the Confessor, no such standing army was used to crush it, whereas its existence would have allowed for a swift, decisive action against the rebels.[21]

Battle Hasting.... wiki

By the end of the 11th century in England, there may have been as many as 3,000 royal housecarls (the Þingalið).[1] As the household troops of Harold Godwinson, the housecarls had a crucial role as the backbone of Harold's army at Hastings. Although they were numerically the smaller part of Harold's army, their possibly superior equipment and training meant they could have been used to strengthen the militia, or fyrd, which made up most of Harold's troops. The housecarls were positioned in the centre, around their leader's standard, but also probably in the first ranks of both flanks, with the fyrdmen behind them. In the Battle of Hastings, these Housecarls fought after Harold's death, holding their oath to him until the very last man was killed.[26]

The Bayeux Tapestry depicts the housecarls as footmen clad in mail, with conical nasal helmets, and fighting with the great, two-handed Dane axe.

Viking King Cnut... brought over ... The hird... wiki

link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hird

The hird, in Scandinavian history, was originally an informal retinue of personal armed companions,[1] hirdmen or housecarls, but came to mean not only the nucleus ('Guards') of the royal army, but also developed into a more formal royal court household.[2

While the term is often used in Norse sagas and law codices, it is a medieval term – the sagas were primarily written down in the 12th century using the language of their own time. There is some uncertainty as to what the term replaced, although the term hlid or lið[a] is used in Danish sources for the warrior following of Canute the Great.[5]

By the reign of Håkon IV (1204–1263) the Norwegian hird was no longer exclusively focused on the military function, and had acquired several subdivisions on continental patterns, with squires (kertilsveinr, literally "candle-men", which were ceremonially required to hold candles at hird ceremonies), men-at-arms (hirdmenn) and knights (skutilsveinr, literally "table-men"). In addition there were low-born gestir, who received only half pay and served as a sort of intelligence service, and were not allowed to sit at the king's table for supper, apart from Christmas day and Easter day, when the entire hird was assembled and sections of their law code, the Hirdskraa was read or recited. The upper levels of the hird were a recruitment ground for numerous royal officials, and most external officials were also incorporated into the hird. Somewhere during the reign of Magnus VI the older laws of the Hird were incorporated into the Hirdskraa law code. During the reign of Håkon V (1299–1319) the Norse titles were dropped entirely in favor of continental titles. Emphasis was put on the Norwegian king's hird as a community of equals, a chivalresque corporation of warriors in which, technically, the king was the first among equals.

The Viking had other units(For a better name) similar to the Housecarl...

Here are some other descriptions of the Housecarls...https://spartacus-educational.com/MEDhousecarls.htm

Housecarls were well-trained, full-time Anglo-Saxon soldiers who were paid for their services. They wore a short mail-coat called a byrnie. The sleeves were left short to enable freedom of movement in battle. They wore a pointed helmet to help deflect blows from sword attacks. Their main weapon was the battle-axe. The heavy curved blade and long handle meant that the weapon had to be held with both hands. Housecarls also used a long double-edged sword with a shallow groove running along the blade on both sides to make it lighter.

Another one...https://www.britannica.com/topic/housecarl

Housecarl, also spelled huscarl, Old Norse húskarl (“house man”), Danish and Norwegian hird (“household,” or “household member”), member of the personal or household troops or bodyguard of Scandinavian kings and chieftains in the Viking and medieval periods. The housecarls achieved a celebrated place in European history as the Danish occupation force in England under Canute the Great in 1015–35.

Canute’s 3,000-man force, which remained in England after the invasion army had been sent home, does not represent the typical size of a royal retinue; forces of approximately 90 men were more common. Housecarls were distinguished by great personal loyalty to their employers; in exchange they received booty and maintenance in the employer’s household or court. Their lives were regulated by laws that governed their personal behaviour, military chain of command, and civil functions (police work and tax collection, for example). Housecarls disappeared after the rise of military aristocracies and bureaucratized royal courts in the late Middle Ages.
 

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Here is a good little article about Housecarls at the Battle of Hastings... It goes into detail about what they wore and how they fought as a unit. it has diagrams ...

LINK: https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/me...aid-down-their-lives-for-anglo-saxon-england/

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Leading the battle on the English side, Harold’s housecarls stood proud atop Senlac Hill, their shields locked in the warrior wall erected to prevent William’s march into England. As the Norman knights charged up the hill, occasionally a brave man would step out of line, wedge his shield into the earth and swing his great two-handed Dane axe. Such was its momentum that it might cut horse and mail-clad rider in two.

These soldiers had already defeated the army of Harald Hardrada of Norway, the most feared Viking king of the time.
Although they’d not even had three weeks to recover from the Battle of Stamford Bridge on 25 September, the confidence born of that victory must have sustained Harold and his men on the march south and as they formed their shieldwall. The housecarls were the elite troops of their age. Now, tested again, they would prove it.

Only, as we now know, they failed this final test. Many had fallen at Stamford Bridge, but even with their numbers depleted, they withstood William’s men for a long, bloody day at Hastings – when most early-Medieval battles ended within an hour. Even when King Harold fell, most of his housecarls fought to the death.

To explain the valour and combat strength of these troops, scholars examined the records of the time to find what set them apart from the norm. The majority of Harold’s army was composed of the fyrd, the muster of free men called upon to take up arms in service of their king. These were farmers and artisans, armed with spears, wearing leather jerkins and carrying shields. They were strong and brave men – you couldn’t take your place in a shieldwall without bravery – but not elite soldiers. The housecarls were different.


I hope you read the rest of the article...
 

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Here is one not quite a unit but perform special duties in WWONE ... I am getting back into WW One again and found these lovely warriors with paws... Sled Dogs Soldiers of WW1

LINK: https://www.eielson.af.mil/News/Com...icle/642651/alaskan-war-dogs-heroism-defined/

EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska -- Editor's note: This is the second part of a series featuring the history of the military's use of sled dogs in Alaska. For the first part, click here.

During World War I, the French government asked Alaska's Darling Kennels and Alaskan Scotty Allan, All Alaska Sweepstakes winner of the 1909, 1911 and 1912 races, to provide and train Alaskan sled dogs and sleds for the French war effort.

One hundred-six dogs were provided from Alaska and eventually found their way to France. While in France, these dogs provided invaluable service; they opened mountainous supply routes and communication between units in the field and headquarters not previously accessible.

Their actions were so important that in his book, "Soldiers and Sled Dogs," Charles L. Dean wrote, "Three Alaskan sled dogs in French service were awarded the Croix de Guerre, France's highest military honors, for actions in combat."

It was not long after the end of World War I that the nation was again drawn into another world war. At the beginning of World War II, the only military working dogs in the whole of the U.S. military were being utilized by Navy and Army forces in Alaska.

After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, there was a real need to increase the number of military personnel in the Alaskan Territory. Gov. Ernest Gruening, Alaska Territorial Governor at the time, asked for military support and a plan was derived to create a territorial guard. Thus the Alaska Territorial Guard was formed by Maj. Marvin "Muktuk" Marston, an Army Air Corps officer.

Marston, along with Gruening, agreed to use the Alaskan native population to form this guard. Being predominately comprised of Alaskan Native Americans spread out from the Aleutians, the interior and coastal areas of Alaska, a form of transportation was needed so Marston could make contact with potential members.


Here is another Article... it the story of how the French officers found and returned with the dogs. it was a adventure in its self...

LINK: http://www.pethealthnetwork.com/news-blogs/a-vets-life/how-sled-dogs-helped-win-world-war-i

This is one of the most extraordinary dog stories ever told. In fact, few people have heard the entire tale. The French army recently opened confidential archives, untouched for almost a century, for the benefit of a documentary*.

December 1914: the French and Germans are fighting World War I in the Vosges, low mountains on the eastern border of France. Men and horses are struggling in the snow. Bringing supplies, food, ammunition, and evacuating wounded soldiers, has become impossible because of heavy snowfalls.

Officers need to find a way to avoid the same disaster during the following winter. A crazy idea emerges: wouldn't it be easier to use sled dogs to transport food, ammunition and wounded soldiers? By July 1915, a secret mission is launched. The goal is to find 400 sled dogs and their gear in a mere four months, before winter start
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Here a movie(documentary) about Sled Dog Soldiers... and several books about these dogs...

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I found the part of France where they originally wanted the sled dogs...

Link: https://us.france.fr/en/mountains-vosges/article/great-war-vosges-front

The Vosges Front is a mountainous area ranging from the Donon in the north and the Grand Ballon in the south. The old border between the German Empire and France from1871 to 1918, now in Alsace and the Lorraine, was the only area of the Western Front to see mountain fighting during the Great War

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With transportation infrastructure and technology, impacts on the landscape and strategic challenges related to climate and geographic constraints, the Vosges mountains were the scene of numerous battlefields that now make it a genuine open-air museum.

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Between 20 July and 15 October 1915, a particularly deadly battle took place on the Linge Battlefield (17,000 soldiers died), followed by a warfare of attrition until 11 November 1918. This battlefield is classified as a historical site and is remarkable in that the well-preserved infrastructure of the solid German defence system and the vestiges of the loose soil trenches built by the French are stirring examples of trench warfare. The Linge Memorial Museum exhibits French and German objects that have been found on the site: weapons, ammunition, personal items and relics.


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From 28 August to 9 September 1914, La Chipotte Pass was the scene of hand-to-hand combat. Control of it switched between the French and Germans five times, killing 4,000 French soldiers who nicknamed it the "Hell Hole”. This French victory and that of the Marne helped crush the German invasion plan and the war of movement transformed into attrition warfare. La Chipotte Cemetry is a reminder of the heroic sacrifice of French soldiers.

The Italian and Austrian Mountain Front was true horror... These battlefields are rarely visited by the common man... It was high in the mountains and cold .... here are some link:

LINK: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...ttle-world-war-i-italian-mountains-180959076/

Just after dawn we slipped into the forest and hiked a steep trail to a limestone wall. A curious ladder of U-shaped steel rungs was fixed to the rock. To reach the battlefield we would trek several miles along this via ferrata, or iron road, pathways of cables and ladders that traverse some of the most stunning and otherwise inaccessible territory in the mountains of northern Italy. We scaled the 50 feet of steel rungs, stopping every ten feet or so to clip our safety tethers to metal cables that run alongside.

LINK: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/soldiers-perish-in-avalanche-as-world-war-i-rages


Note: In one day thousands of soldiers died in avalanches...

A powerful avalanche kills hundreds of Austrian soldiers in a barracks near Italy’s Mount Marmolada on December 13, 1916. Over a period of several days, avalanches in the Italian Alps killed an estimated 10,000 Austrian and Italian soldiers in mid-December. The avalanches occurred as the Austrians and Italians were fighting World War I and some witnesses claim that the avalanches were purposefully caused to use as a weapon. Though there is little evidence that this was the case with these avalanches, it is possible that avalanches were used as weapons at other times during the war.

LINK: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history...ern-Italy-reveal-corpses-of-WW1-soldiers.html

LINK: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...war-italy-austro-hungarian-mountains-history/

Notes: link show the melting glaciers are exposing ww one relic's... and bodies... Photos...
 

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What was it that a certain clever president said? Something about it depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is?

I don’t think we could agree on a definition of best. Most effective? Most exclusive? Something else? It’s impossible to say.

Whenever a person is asked about best anything, be it best units or best commanders, I believe the person names a favorite and calls it best. Especially when the question is, “Who was the best Confederate cavalry commander?”
 

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Whenever a person is asked about best anything, be it best units or best commanders,
I agree, it is an eternally subjective topic. How does that old sayin' go? "Opinions are like...everyone has one." ;) But, some still like to toot their own favorite horns.
 

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What was it that a certain clever president said? Something about it depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is?

I don’t think we could agree on a definition of best. Most effective? Most exclusive? Something else? It’s impossible to say.

Whenever a person is asked about best anything, be it best units or best commanders, I believe the person names a favorite and calls it best. Especially when the question is, “Who was the best Confederate cavalry commander?”
I always tend to go with Forrest on Confederate cavalry! He may well not have been the best of the rebels, but he was pretty good at what he did.

I'd like to put in a vote for the Apaches as a formidable fighting force. Took a 75 year war before the US finally licked them! And, the Plains tribes had some of the world's best light cavalry.
 

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I always tend to go with Forrest on Confederate cavalry! He may well not have been the best of the rebels, but he was pretty good at what he did.

I'd like to put in a vote for the Apaches as a formidable fighting force. Took a 75 year war before the US finally licked them! And, the Plains tribes had some of the world's best light cavalry.
Unfortunately in warfare quantity beats quality. No doubt American Indians were skilled fighters but between the US Army using divide and conquer tactics even against the Apaches the US Army still won. Also of course Indian women and children were not off limits by any means.
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