German's Give the Figure... Scapa Flow 1919...

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The German WW one fleet was interned in Scapa Flow after the war ends. The German admiral was to to scuttle the fleet if the allies try to seize the fleet. The German admiral hear he was suppose to surrendered his fleet so he waited for the right moment and scuttle the fleet out of 74 ships 52 were scuttle and the British navy was only able to ground 22 ships. The event listed the last German causalities of the war with 9 killed and 16 injured. It was The German last act of the war by giving the allies the figure.

Here is a good link about the German fleet being interned until it was scuttled. I have not given this event its true due so read the link to get the whole story...


Here is wiki take...


Of the 74 German ships at Scapa Flow, 15 of the 16 capital ships, 5 of the 8 cruisers, and 32 of the 50 destroyers were sunk.[4] The remainder either remained afloat, or were towed to shallower waters and beached. The beached ships were later dispersed to the allied navies, but most of the sunken ships were initially left at the bottom of Scapa Flow, the cost of salvaging them being deemed to be not worth the potential returns, owing to the glut of scrap metal left after the end of the war, with plenty of obsolete warships having been broken up.[34] After complaints from locals that the wrecks were a hazard to navigation, a salvage company was formed in 1923, which raised four of the sunken destroyers.

While the rebuilding of the German Army in the 1930s was based upon the combined myths of "invincibility on the battlefield" and the "stab in the back", the attitude and actions of the High Seas Fleet at Scapa Flow became a symbol of defiance for the new recruits and officers of the Kriegsmarine.[39] The last living military witness to the scuttling of the fleet was Claude Choules, who died on 5 May 2011 aged 110. Choules was the last known living combat veteran of the First World War.[40] An eyewitness account of the scuttling and the subsequent angry meeting between Reuter and Fremantle was published in 2015 by the family of Hugh David, who died in 1957.[41] In 2019, the three battleships Markgraf, König and Kronprinz Wilhelm were sold on eBay (by the retiring diving contractor Tommy Clark) for £25,500 each to a Middle Eastern company. The cruiser, Karlsruhe, sold for £8,500 to a private bidder in England.
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The German WW one fleet was interned in Scapa Flow after the war ends. The German admiral was to to scuttle the fleet if the allies try to seize the fleet. The German admiral hear he was suppose to surrendered his fleet so he waited for the right moment and scuttle the fleet out of 74 ships 52 were scuttle and the British navy was only able to ground 22 ships. The event listed the last German causalities of the war with 9 killed and 16 injured. It was The German last act of the war by giving the allies the figure.

Here is a good link about the German fleet being interned until it was scuttled. I have not given this event its true due so read the link to get the whole story...


Here is wiki take...


Of the 74 German ships at Scapa Flow, 15 of the 16 capital ships, 5 of the 8 cruisers, and 32 of the 50 destroyers were sunk.[4] The remainder either remained afloat, or were towed to shallower waters and beached. The beached ships were later dispersed to the allied navies, but most of the sunken ships were initially left at the bottom of Scapa Flow, the cost of salvaging them being deemed to be not worth the potential returns, owing to the glut of scrap metal left after the end of the war, with plenty of obsolete warships having been broken up.[34] After complaints from locals that the wrecks were a hazard to navigation, a salvage company was formed in 1923, which raised four of the sunken destroyers.

While the rebuilding of the German Army in the 1930s was based upon the combined myths of "invincibility on the battlefield" and the "stab in the back", the attitude and actions of the High Seas Fleet at Scapa Flow became a symbol of defiance for the new recruits and officers of the Kriegsmarine.[39] The last living military witness to the scuttling of the fleet was Claude Choules, who died on 5 May 2011 aged 110. Choules was the last known living combat veteran of the First World War.[40] An eyewitness account of the scuttling and the subsequent angry meeting between Reuter and Fremantle was published in 2015 by the family of Hugh David, who died in 1957.[41] In 2019, the three battleships Markgraf, König and Kronprinz Wilhelm were sold on eBay (by the retiring diving contractor Tommy Clark) for £25,500 each to a Middle Eastern company. The cruiser, Karlsruhe, sold for £8,500 to a private bidder in England.
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using machine guns trying to prevent them doing that was kinda not nice
 

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Defiant describes Scapa Flow... The admiral followed his orders... If the right wing(Nazi) had not embrace this moment this could have been a Alamo moment for Germans like Thermopylae for the Greeks, or Kosovo for the Serbs, and so on...

Reuter and several of his officers were brought onto the quarterdeck of HMS Revenge, where Fremantle – through an interpreter – denounced their actions as dishonourable while Reuter and his men looked on "with expressionless faces".[32] Admiral Fremantle subsequently remarked privately, "I could not resist feeling some sympathy for von Reuter, who had preserved his dignity when placed against his will in a highly unpleasant and invidious position."[
 

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Defiant describes Scapa Flow... The admiral followed his orders... If the right wing(Nazi) had not embrace this moment this could have been a Alamo moment for Germans like Thermopylae for the Greeks, or Kosovo for the Serbs, and so on...

Reuter and several of his officers were brought onto the quarterdeck of HMS Revenge, where Fremantle – through an interpreter – denounced their actions as dishonourable while Reuter and his men looked on "with expressionless faces".[32] Admiral Fremantle subsequently remarked privately, "I could not resist feeling some sympathy for von Reuter, who had preserved his dignity when placed against his will in a highly unpleasant and invidious position."[
there were no nazis when that happened
 

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Here is the Admiral...



After the armistice that ended World War I, Konteradmiral von Reuter was requested to take command of the fleet that was to be interned at Scapa Flow until its final disposition would be decided at Versailles. Admiral Franz von Hipper, commander-in-chief of the High Seas Fleet, had refused to lead his ships into internment. He thus protested against the seizing of the fleet by Britain and its relocation to a British war harbour instead of a neutral location, as had been agreed initially.[1]

As the final deadline neared for the German delegation to sign the Treaty of Versailles, Reuter anticipated that his ships would be handed over to the victorious Allies. To prevent this, he ordered all 74 ships scuttled on 21 June 1919, using an unusual flag signal previously agreed upon. Unknown to the British, all ships had long ago been prepared for this action. Within five hours, 10 battleships, five battlecruisers, five light cruisers, and 32 destroyers sank in Scapa Flow. The battleship SMS Baden, the three light cruisers SMS Emden, SMS Nürnberg, and SMS Frankfurt, and 14 destroyers were beached when British watch personnel were able to intervene in time and tow them to shallow water. Only four destroyers remained afloat. Nine Germans were killed by English soldiers either aboard some of the ships (including Walter Schumann, the captain of SMS Markgraf) or some of their lifeboats, while flying a white flag – the last German war deaths of World War I.[2]

Reuter was vilified in Britain and made a prisoner of war, along with the other 1,773 officers and men of the fleet's remaining rump crews. In Germany, he was celebrated as a hero who had protected the honour of the navy.[3] While most of the imprisoned Germans were soon returned to Germany, Reuter was among several who remained imprisoned in Britain. He was eventually released and finally returned to Germany in late January 1920.[4]


Here is the Nazi...

Five months after his return from Britain, Reuter was requested to hand in his resignation from the Navy. The Treaty of Versailles forced Germany to drastically reduce the size of its navy leaving Reuter without a suitable command, given his rank and age. Moving to Potsdam, he eventually became a state councillor. He also wrote a book on the scuttling of the High Fleet, Scapa Flow: Grave of the German Fleet. On 29 August 1939, he was made full admiral by Hitler to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the Battle of Tannenberg.

 

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there were no nazis when that happened
True, but the Nazi embraced the moment but maybe one day in the future it will be remember as a great moment of defiance...
 

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True, but the Nazi embraced the moment but maybe one day in the future it will be remember as a great moment of defiance...
everybody did that - you won't find a german having a problem with die selbstversenkung der hochseeflotte in scapa flow (if they know about it)
 

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Here back in 2019 Germany honor the sailors on the 100th anniversary


German navy divers will on Friday lay underwater wreaths at the remaining shipwrecks lying in the bay off a Scottish island to commemorate the 100th anniversary of what could be seen as some of the final casualties of World War I.
 

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Here is an article about the end of WW2 and the Germans trying to scuttle their U-boats... The order was given to scuttle them but was reversed and see how many still scuttle their U-boats...

https://legionmagazine.com/en/german-u-boat-crews-abandon-plans-to-scuttle-surrender-instead/

There were 156 U-boats at sea when the order came down. They were initially told to repair to Norway “unseen,” under “absolute security.” The secret plan was to scuttle the lot to keep them out of Allied hands. While it failed to match the development of Allied sonar and long-range aircraft, the German undersea fleet had technology superior to virtually any in the world at the time.

In the early hours of May 5, German leadership issued the Regenbogen (rainbow order), meaning the entire U-boat fleet was to be scuttled. Eight minutes later, the order was revoked to avoid jeopardizing the surrender negotiations.
 

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Here is an article about the end of WW2 and the Germans trying to scuttle their U-boats... The order was given to scuttle them but was reversed and see how many still scuttle their U-boats...

https://legionmagazine.com/en/german-u-boat-crews-abandon-plans-to-scuttle-surrender-instead/

There were 156 U-boats at sea when the order came down. They were initially told to repair to Norway “unseen,” under “absolute security.” The secret plan was to scuttle the lot to keep them out of Allied hands. While it failed to match the development of Allied sonar and long-range aircraft, the German undersea fleet had technology superior to virtually any in the world at the time.

In the early hours of May 5, German leadership issued the Regenbogen (rainbow order), meaning the entire U-boat fleet was to be scuttled. Eight minutes later, the order was revoked to avoid jeopardizing the surrender negotiations.
that's kinda a tradition - whenever we lose a world war we scuddle the fleet
 
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