FREE STATE of LINCOLN

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I like to point out the Lincoln at one time wanted to ship the slaves back to Africa(Liberia). I like to point out that Grant tried to buy the Dominican Republic so to ship many of the newly freed slaves there. I like to point out is that a new state should have been created for the newly free slaves of the south to live and proposer in. It was not particle to ship millions of newly freed slaves back to Africa(Liberia) but creating a new state was well within our nation grasp to do.

I argue we should have created Freemen state from the other southern states like West Virginia was created from out of Virginia or take one of the existing Southern states like Alabama rename it New Alabama and make it a new Freemen state. Either way, the newly free slaves would have had their own free state. It would have given them a safe place to live and political power in one stroke of a pen.

If the newly freemen having their own state think of some of the ramifications, I doubt there would have been the 14th and 15th amendments to our Constitution. All those early Civil Rights laws of the 1870s would most likely have never become law. The White Militia in the south may never have risen up because most of the newly freemen would have immigrated to the newly created state for them. If you think about it separate but equal would have been the unspoken law of the land. I bet every-time there would have been talked about equality for Black Americans the opponents would say "they have their own state".

Even if a new state would not have been carved out of the south there was land in the west that could have been used to create the free state of Lincoln. I am surprised this idea never crossed the minds of politicians back in the late 1860s and early 1870s. Just think if the politicians following the Civil War would have created the free state of Lincoln... How everything would have changed in America?...

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really? how many federal troops would you have stationed there to protect them from ex-confederate militias?
 

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really? how many federal troops would you have stationed there to protect them from ex-confederate militias?
The South was a beaten people... if we pull out most the Freedom from the other states that should end the white people being dominated by Black people argument... The other states would have their White led governments and the Free state Lincoln would have its Black-led government. I do not think the tension would have been there...
 

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how many northern states would have accepted a fully armed black state?
 

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Even if a new state would not have been carved out of the south there was land in the west that could have been used to create the free state of Lincoln. I am surprised this idea never crossed the minds of politicians back in the late 1860s and early 1870s. Just think if the politicians following the Civil War would have created the free state of Lincoln... How everything would have changed in America?...
Or, how would it have changed if there had been a Free State of Franklin.



https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/true-story-short-lived-state-franklin-180964541/

que sera, sera....
 

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Unfortunately there a little something called the Constitution. Nothing you wrote was legally possible and America did not have the money of the will to transfer four million or so people to another part to the globe so here we are.
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Unfortunately there a little something called the Constitution. Nothing you wrote was legally possible and America did not have the money of the will to transfer four million or so people to another part to the globe so here we are.
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Now wait, Stevens was right to call them conquered lands and they were tried as territories than Congress could have done that ever they want. They would have not been states anymore just conquered land...
 

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Now wait, Stevens was right to call them conquered lands and they were tried as territories than Congress could have done that ever they want. They would have not been states anymore just conquered land...
You need to talk to a good constitutional lawyer about that. That legal issue was addressed by Lee's Estate which filled a lawsuit about the federal government siezing Arlington has a national cemetery. @jgoodguy could probably supply you with the case citation. No such thing as" conquered lands" as the no state legally left the US.
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You need to talk to a good constitutional lawyer about that. That legal issue was addressed by Lee's Estate which filled a lawsuit about the federal government siezing Arlington has a national cemetery. @jgoodguy could probably supply you with the case citation. No such thing as" conquered lands" as the no state legally left the US.
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All hangs by a thread on the say-so of Chief Justice Chase.
 

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All hangs by a thread on the say-so of Chief Justice Chase.
In theory if ACW 2.0 took place a new Supreme Court could reverse the Arlington rulling. Until then no such thing as "enemy land" in the US. @5fish even Jefferson Davis kept his legal title to his Plantation although for financial reasons he had to self finance the sale of his Plantation to an ex slave. When that didn't work out Davis had to sell his Plantation at a loss.
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Now wait, Stevens was right to call them conquered lands and they were tried as territories than Congress could have done that ever they want. They would have not been states anymore just conquered land...
Per what statutory or case law? That line of reasoning won't fly.
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In theory if ACW 2.0 took place a new Supreme Court could reverse the Arlington rulling. Until then no such thing as "enemy land" in the US. @5fish even Jefferson Davis kept his legal title to his Plantation although for financial reasons he had to self finance the sale of his Plantation to an ex slave. When that didn't work out Davis had to sell his Plantation at a loss.
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Texas v White establishes the indestructible State theory. However other possibilities are possible including the State Suicide Theory which competed with Chase's theory. IMHO the State Suicide Theory has better logic but not in the logic of politics.
 

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Texas v White establishes the indestructible State theory. However other possibilities are possible including the State Suicide Theory which competed with Chase's theory. IMHO the State Suicide Theory has better logic but not in the logic of politics.
It makes no sense for any country to have a" get out clause otherwise a country becomes Balkanized although post Ex Yugoslavia new nations are able to live at peace with one another.
The USA became stronger after giving the Confederacy a gentle spanking.
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It makes no sense for any country to have a" get out clause otherwise a country becomes Balkanized although post Ex Yugoslavia new nations are able to live at peace with one another.
The USA became stronger after giving the Confederacy a gentle spanking.
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when that was a gentle spanking i'd rather not know what you consider a whipping - a couple of nukes may be?
 

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I would term them re-conquered or more likely re-constituitionalised lands.
Legally it doesn't work that way. The lands were always part of their respective state and the United States. Once they are under US control all federal laws apply including restrictions in the US such has the federal government can not size any land other then eminent domain and then still has to pay fair market value for the land.
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