For fun What is a Black Confederate. Opinions, but please be very brief.

[General Lee]

I see what your saying now perhaps it was either written for him and sent. But regardless he cared enough to reach out with love to his master like many others who were family and freind.

 

[diane]

I know I was saying that many slaves not all just to be clear but many were treated as family and freind and this one wrote to his master who he seamed to care about and he knew how to write so he was taught how. That really says something when somebody else says that no loyal slaves did things like this.

I've read it twice over, carefully. Doesn't sound like a question of loyalty but a matter of working master to get out of a dangerous place.

 

[General Lee]

When it was illegal to teach slaves to read and write?

Many things were and had been illegal yet people still do illegal things.

 

[rittmeister]

When it was illegal to teach slaves to read and write?

... and anybody would allow a house slave who could illegally read and write to be 'drafted' by the army? nah, he'd send someone who couldn't bring him in trouble.

 

[Jim Klag]

Now hold on because your point was my Lee quote is wrong based on his family not him. Well doesn't this look familiar

I said Lee's family proved that the letter from which your quote was taken was a forgery. The Burn family, 150 years after the war, cannot possibly know who actually wrote your letter.

 

[rittmeister]

I've read it twice over, carefully. Doesn't sound like a question of loyalty but a matter of working master to get out of a dangerous place.

exactly - it's a wonder the good doctor didn't use that phrase the loved so dearly in both armies

your obedient servant

 

[General Lee]

... and anybody would allow a house slave who could illegally read and write to be 'drafted' by the army? nah, he'd send someone who couldn't bring him in trouble.

Things slip in the Army like the many who did fight and serve for the military. I can't picture anyone in a life or death situation in a fort really going out of there way to look over " uh oh they can read and write I better report this" NO.

 

[diane]

Well, it's true it was illegal to teach slaves to read and write in Virginia. Stonewall Jackson got into trouble with his Bible studies for the slaves. He'd write the verse on a blackboard and they would follow in the Bibles he gave out. He wasn't teaching them exactly but they were sure teaching themselves!

 

[General Lee]

I said Lee's family proved that the letter from which your quote was taken was a forgery. The Burn family, 150 years after the war, cannot possibly know who actually wrote your letter.

Well take that up with the state then because the state and family seam satifisied enough.

 

[rittmeister]

Things slip in the Army like the many who did fight and serve for the military. I can't picture anyone in a life or death situation in a fort really going out of there way to look over " uh oh they can read and write I better report this" NO.

oh certainly not while there's some shooting going on

 

[Jim Klag]

Well take that up with the state then because the state and family seam satifisied enough.

Of course they do because it goes along with the bogus happy slave narrative that lost causers are in love with because you think the rest of us will just take your word for it. One day, I hope, you will learn.

 

[diane]

Now hold on because your point was my Lee quote is wrong based on his family not him. Well doesn't this look familiar

Sorry, but your Lee quote really is bogus. Fletcher Stockdale is reported to have said it to R L Dabney who...reported many things! Dabney has long been considered unreliable. The quote is supposed to have been said in 1870, right after a meeting with several influential people working to restore peace in the South, and after Lee had signed onto the one political letter he ever did sign. It was all about finding harmony. Stockdale is reported by Dabney to have said this on his deathbed and to Dabney only. No witnesses, Lee was long dead. Lee's family disputed it because it was counter to everything Lee believed after the war and worked for. Now, Gov Stockdale was the Texas governor and he was a red-hot, hard-core, Dixie-or-die rebel nationalist. He wanted Lee to be one, too - even if he had to stuff words into his mouth post mortem!

 

[General Lee]

Sorry, but your Lee quote really is bogus. Fletcher Stockdale is reported to have said it to R L Dabney who...reported many things! Dabney has long been considered unreliable. The quote is supposed to have been said in 1870, right after a meeting with several influential people working to restore peace in the South, and after Lee had signed onto the one political letter he ever did sign. It was all about finding harmony. Stockdale is reported by Dabney to have said this on his deathbed and to Dabney only. No witnesses, Lee was long dead. Lee's family disputed it because it was counter to everything Lee believed after the war and worked for. Now, Gov Stockdale was the Texas governor and he was a red-hot, hard-core, Dixie-or-die rebel nationalist. He wanted Lee to be one, too - even if he had to stuff words into his mouth post mortem!

Alright then, that all sounds realistic and it does seam put of line with how Lee felt after the war. I will change it when I have the chance.

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

There are letters and such of even what the slaves or free men that fought for the CSA said. This here is from Ervin Jordan Jr's book Black Confederates and Afro yankees.
"After their capture one group of white Virginia slave owners and Afro-Virginians were asked if they would take the oath of allegiance to the United States in exchange for their freedom. One free negro indignantly replied: “I can’t take no such oaf as dat. I’m a secesh nigger.” A slave from this same group, upon learning that his master had refused, proudly exclaimed, “I can’t take no oath dat Massa won’t take.” A second slave agreed: “I ain’t going out here on no dishonorable terms.” On another occasion a captured Virginia planter took the oath, but slave remained faithful to the Confederacy and refused. This slave returned to Virginia by a flag of truce boat and expressed disgust at his owner’s disloyalty: “Massa had no principles.” Confederate prisoners of war paid tribute to the loyalty, ingenuity, and diligence of “kind-hearted” blacks who attended to their needs and considered them fellow Southerners."



Ervin L. Jordan, Jr.

So the actions of the 180k men of the USCT us tens of thousands of escaped slaves should be ignored vs the statements of a few alleged slaves?
Leftyhunter

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

Yes, General, the letter is likely real BUT... This isn't proof he was a black Confederate. Rather, it is the report of a slave hired out to do dangerous work and he's letting his master know his property is being damaged and he might want to get it back to safety!