For fun What is a Black Confederate. Opinions, but please be very brief.

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IMHO a Black Confederate is a Nubian African American in a Grey Uniform, a member of the National CSA army with a rifle issued by the Confederate Government, paid and fed by the Confederate Government with their name on a muster roll or CSR. I require his appearance to be unmistakenly black, after all, white women masqueraded as white men to enlist so a white appearing man of African descent masquerading as a white man does not count nor does white appearing mulattoes. In the last days of 1865, African Americans were enlisted in Richmond and perhaps elsewhere, but their names are lost to history. There are the closest to my definition of the Black Confederate.
 

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a guy who on his own will supports the confederacy (digging trenches would be enough) but not one who's been told to do it by his owner. that is of course hard to prove.
 

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Would free blacks who owned slaves count? They would have the same investments to protect as whites.
 

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IMHO a Black Confederate is a Nubian African American in a Grey Uniform, a member of the National CSA army with a rifle issued by the Confederate Government, paid and fed by the Confederate Government with their name on a muster roll or CSR. I require his appearance to be unmistakenly black, after all, white women masqueraded as white men to enlist so a white appearing man of African descent masquerading as a white man does not count nor does white appearing mulattoes. In the last days of 1865, African Americans were enlisted in Richmond and perhaps elsewhere, but their names are lost to history. There are the closest to my definition of the Black Confederate.
Exactly so. If the confederate government did not recognize them as soldiers, neither should we.
 

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Exactly so. If the confederate government did not recognize them as soldiers, neither should we.
Why I always ask how black is a Black Confederate. A black appearing man is not going to enlist until after March 1865. OTOH a white appearing 'Black Confederate' could.
 

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There's Greenwood LeFlore, who was VERY prosperous, chief of the Choctaws and a Unionist. Next door was Aaron Forrest, too young to be super rich but working on it, total Confederate. So, one day he decided he didn't like the cut of LeFlore's jib and demolished his plantation. Who was in the middle ducking? The slaves. At that point, there may have been some black Confederates - or anything else you wanted them to be!

I like that - Red Confederates. It opens up a truly fresh can of wiggly worms!
 

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There's Greenwood LeFlore, who was VERY prosperous, chief of the Choctaws and a Unionist. Next door was Aaron Forrest, too young to be super rich but working on it, total Confederate. So, one day he decided he didn't like the cut of LeFlore's jib and demolished his plantation. Who was in the middle ducking? The slaves. At that point, there may have been some black Confederates - or anything else you wanted them to be!

I like that - Red Confederates. It opens up a truly fresh can of wiggly worms!
Were Stand Watie and his Cherokee pals not red confederates? They were very real, unlike the ebony version.
 

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Were Stand Watie and his Cherokee pals not red confederates? They were very real, unlike the ebony version.
I don't consider them red (unless red is a part of selfish)

Listen Americans Injuns always had their own goals (till after the Indian wars)
 

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There's Greenwood LeFlore, who was VERY prosperous, chief of the Choctaws and a Unionist. Next door was Aaron Forrest, too young to be super rich but working on it, total Confederate. So, one day he decided he didn't like the cut of LeFlore's jib and demolished his plantation. Who was in the middle ducking? The slaves. At that point, there may have been some black Confederates - or anything else you wanted them to be!

I like that - Red Confederates. It opens up a truly fresh can of wiggly worms!
I can imagine some slave saying yes master I want to kill Yankees to get into range of running off.
 

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there never were French / British / Rebel / Confederate / Union Injuns. They never were part of

always had their own goal wich the wantend to achieve with one of those new tribes.

wouldn't have had a problem to abuse those new tribes, too
 

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I can imagine some slave saying yes master I want to kill Yankees to get into range of running off.
well having a gun in a skirmish line? drop it raise Your hands and get taken (by the blues - hopefully)
 

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The problem with the Black Confederates is defining what one is. The debates start off with the appearance of armed BCs going off to kill Yankees to keep their lin in slavery and end up with cooks.
 

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the problem is that it does not make sense 4 a black man to fight the blues

exception?
-You are one of those handpicked free blacks who own slaves
-You are totally brainwashed

Stockholm symptom? not in an agricultural society
 

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The definition of Black Confederates is kryptonite to Black Confederate advocates, they want the freedom to sling all sorts of stuff at a wall to see what sticks. Over at CWT I started and monitored a thread that just said give me Black Confederates with CSRs, muster rolls, or pension applications as evidence. All sorts showed up.

IMHO this is why our friend is absent, definition cuts the crap level down.
 

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The definition of Black Confederates is kryptonite to Black Confederate advocates, they want the freedom to sling all sorts of stuff at a wall to see what sticks. Over at CWT I started and monitored a thread that just said give me Black Confederates with CSRs, muster rolls, or pension applications as evidence. All sorts showed up.
Kryptonite doesn't effect batman and he wearing black & blue
 
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