Eradication Proclamation...

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On January 1, 1863 president Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation freeing the slaves within the confederate states.

What if president Davis issue his own proclamation Feb 1, 1863?

On Feb. 1, 1863,
President Davis before the people of Richmond and the Confederacy proclaimed The Eradication Proclamation...

President Davis ordered the eradication of slavery in the Confederacy by eliminating all slaves within the Confederacy.
He was ordering the CS Army and local militias to round up all slaves and put them into Concentration Camps or kill them on the plantation where they worked.

The purpose of Concentration Camps was to organized the slaves to work for the Confederacy and to systemically eliminate the slaves until there was none left within the Confederacy.

President Davis stated "If President Lincoln wants to shed white mans' blood and bring war upon us in the name of freeing the slaves, then I will solve this issue by spilling every drop of blood slaves have." He went on, " By eradicating all the Slaves why would or should President Lincoln bring war upon the good people of the Confederacy. We could have our nation and peace within the year."

Beginning within weeks of President Davis Eradication Proclamation the Southern governors began building Concentration Camps and rounding up the slaves within their states and eliminating them..

What if the Confederacy began building Concentration Camps and eradicating slaves?

What would President Lincoln, Congress and the people of the North react?
 

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I found the post by the The Iron Duke... on the site which will not be named...

This has to be one of the most revolting things I've ever read on this site. Not only would this never have happened since the slaveowners would not have been willing to lose their "investments" but when did any southern politician, either before the war or during the days of Jim Crow, ever suggest such an extreme idea?

So let me guess here...

Davis is Hitler, Stephens is Bormann, Lee is Keitel, Benjamin is Ribbentrop, Mallory is Doenitz, and Wirz is Eichmann. Did I get it right?


I'm truly at a loss to understand how someone could think there was anything in Davis' character to suggest he was liable to be a genocidal maniac.

And people wonder why some southerners are so defensive about how they and their ancestors are portrayed. This what-if scenario should give everyone a clue.
 

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On January 1, 1863 president Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation freeing the slaves within the confederate states.

What if president Davis issue his own proclamation Feb 1, 1863?

On Feb. 1, 1863,
President Davis before the people of Richmond and the Confederacy proclaimed The Eradication Proclamation...

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why would he do that? the big difference between the confederates and the nazis was that the confederates did not want to erradicate but exploit their 'inferior' sub-species. what is the point in bringing on a civil war and then wipe out the 'investment' in slaves. if jeff had tried sth like that he certainly would have gotten a civil war of his own.
 

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why would he do that?
Everyone seems to forget Lincoln move to free the slave was consider a extreme move to end the war.

If you read civil war many in the south realized for them to win Slavery would have to go...

Lincoln radical call to free the slaves would entice them to escape to freedom and take up arms against the Confederacy which they did.

Davis and his cabinet realize this and realize a radical counter move would be needed... If the slaves are eradicated the slaves can not be used against the Confederacy and it takes away slavery as an issue. The Northern population would see Davis was trying to slave their young men lives...

The smart confederate knows a boat to the Caribbean after the war and can bring slavery back in vogue in the South again...

Lincoln can not defeat the South fast enough to slavery hundred of thousands of slaves lives so what would he and the Northern people do... just let millions of slaves die...
 

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I found the post by the The Iron Duke... on the site which will not be named...

This has to be one of the most revolting things I've ever read on this site. Not only would this never have happened since the slaveowners would not have been willing to lose their "investments" but when did any southern politician, either before the war or during the days of Jim Crow, ever suggest such an extreme idea?

So let me guess here...

Davis is Hitler, Stephens is Bormann, Lee is Keitel, Benjamin is Ribbentrop, Mallory is Doenitz, and Wirz is Eichmann. Did I get it right?


I'm truly at a loss to understand how someone could think there was anything in Davis' character to suggest he was liable to be a genocidal maniac.

And people wonder why some southerners are so defensive about how they and their ancestors are portrayed. This what-if scenario should give everyone a clue.
if you want to go with that: lee is rommel or more likely von rundstedt (rommel would be jeb stuart), stephens is heß, mallory is raeder and wirz is höß. you got benjamin / von ribbentrop right though,

but then the whole idea is nonsense (to put it mildly).
 

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but then the whole idea is nonsense (to put it mildly).
Wait... freeing slaves is all fair game but the massacre of slaves is not. Southerns have massacred slaves in the past what would make it a no go. WE are talking about the selfish desire of a nation state survival... so killing slaves I do not think would be an issue...
 

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Wait... freeing slaves is all fair game but the massacre of slaves is not. Southerns have massacred slaves in the past what would make it a no go. WE are talking about the selfish desire of a nation state survival... so killing slaves I do not think would be an issue...
it's not a few (they could live with that, espescially if the feared a riot) - it's all of them. that's like erradicating the stock market. that kind of tactics was used by slavers when a royal navy frigate showed up - jettisoning the cargo to get rid of the evidence. it just doesn't work on that scale.
 

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jettisoning the cargo to get rid of the evidence. it just doesn't work on that scale.
Davis is not hiding his actions. The confederacy is not hiding their action. They are daring Lincoln to continue the war and blood of millions of slaves will be on your hands... They are daring the North people to continue the work or have blood on their hands...

that kind of tactics was used by slavers when royal navy frigate showed up
Yes... on a large scale maybe... The question becomes if the war continued would there have been war crime trials...
 

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Davis is not hiding his actions. The confederacy is not hiding their action. They are daring Lincoln to continue the war and blood of millions of slaves will be on your hands... They are daring the North people to continue the work or have blood on their hands...



Yes... on a large scale maybe... The question becomes if the war continued would there have been war crime trials...
that surely makes everybody involved swing and most likely before the yankees even show up
 

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why would he do that? the big difference between the confederates and the nazis was that the confederates did not want to erradicate but exploit their 'inferior' sub-species. what is the point in bringing on a civil war and then wipe out the 'investment' in slaves. if jeff had tried sth like that he certainly would have gotten a civil war of his own.
I agree It would not have been much more than Davis getting lynched.
 

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The underlying premise of this what if is that slavery was not the cause of secession.
 

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Why should it be wiped out? Yes, its a horrible thought but lets think about 19th century world in the south. Slaves were not humans but property, an own object. In economic terms once President Lincoln proclaimed the slaves within the confederacy free, they were no longer investments for the slaves were no longer property.

What if President Davis did such a thing?
In the south the extermination slaves would not have been look upon as humans being being murder but making the best of an investment gone bad. The question is: How would a 19th century Lincoln and the people of the north have reacted to such an act by the confederacy. Remember by today standards most of the 19th century Northerns' would be racist. Would they have been horrified by such a notion?

Yes, I am asking you to face an unpleasing thought or notion in this thread....Can it be faced...

Do you think the Confederacy valued a slaves life?
 

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Why should it be wiped out? Yes, its a horrible thought but lets think about 19th century world in the south. Slaves were not humans but property, an own object. In economic terms once President Lincoln proclaimed the slaves within the confederacy free, they were no longer investments for the slaves were no longer property.

What if President Davis did such a thing?
In the south the extermination slaves would not have been look upon as humans being being murder but making the best of an investment gone bad. The question is: How would a 19th century Lincoln and the people of the north have reacted to such an act by the confederacy. Remember by today standards most of the 19th century Northerns' would be racist. Would they have been horrified by such a notion?

Yes, I am asking you to face an unpleasing thought or notion in this thread....Can it be faced...

Do you think the Confederacy valued a slaves life?
nope, the question is how would their 'owners' have reacted when a federal agent shows up to take away their 'property' to some sort of extermination camp. tar and feathers would be too easy i guess.
 

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ope, the question is how would their 'owners' have reacted when a federal agent shows up to take away their 'property' to some sort of extermination camp. tar and feathers would be too easy i guess.
It would have been government soldiers showing up to take the slaves little to no resistances would have happen. I know people have these fantasy about standing up to the government when it comes for thier guns but they will not because of the Hot / Cold empathy gap. I have pointed out in another thread... They did the Jews go peaceably was because of the Hot / Cold empathy gap...
 
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