Don’t Go Overboard With This

[jgoodguy]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/dont-go-overboard-with-this

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At the same time, I see a lot of pundits and not a few Democrats saying that Sanders is “unelectable”.

As I say, I’ve made clear that I have a lot of skepticism about Sanders as a general election candidate. But the idea that he’s unelectable is just belied by too much evidence. The most important is this: pollsters have been polling a Sanders versus Trump contest for over a year. Virtually every one of those polls has shown Sanders beating Trump. The great majority show him beating Trump by margins that make an electoral college win very likely. None of this guarantees a Sanders victory, obviously. Indeed, there are two or three reasons I fear those numbers will not hold up – one being that Sanders has simply never faced a concerted negative campaign. (I’ll address those reasons in a separate post.) Given the enormous stakes, you don’t just want someone who has a shot. You want to be sure it’s the candidate with the best shot, to the extent you can ascertain that. But you simply can’t state as a fact that someone can’t win when virtually all the polling data shows they are at least a favorite. That’s certainly in spite of the evidence.​

 

[Viper21]

I'm still not convinced that, Sanders will be the Dem nominee. Though I will admit, it's leaning that direction. However, who knew Bloomberg would shit the bed in that debate..? I figured, all things considered, that Mini Mike would slowly take over. He better bring his A game to the next one, or Bernie is gonna clean everyone's clock.

There is still another possibility though. Hillary could still hop into the game. There's enough people within the DNC who really don't want Bernie. She could parlay that into a third attempt. Unlikely but, still possible.

 

[jgoodguy]

The only thing that is certain is uncertainty in politics.

Will Rogers 1930s

• "I'm not a member of any organized political party.... I'm a Democrat."
• "Democrats never agree on anything, that's why they're Democrats. If they agreed with each other, they'd be Republicans."
• "There is only one redeeming thing about this whole election. It will be over at sundown, and let everybody pray that it's not a tie, for we couldn't go through with this thing again.

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/dont-go-overboard-with-this

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At the same time, I see a lot of pundits and not a few Democrats saying that Sanders is “unelectable”.

As I say, I’ve made clear that I have a lot of skepticism about Sanders as a general election candidate. But the idea that he’s unelectable is just belied by too much evidence. The most important is this: pollsters have been polling a Sanders versus Trump contest for over a year. Virtually every one of those polls has shown Sanders beating Trump. The great majority show him beating Trump by margins that make an electoral college win very likely. None of this guarantees a Sanders victory, obviously. Indeed, there are two or three reasons I fear those numbers will not hold up – one being that Sanders has simply never faced a concerted negative campaign. (I’ll address those reasons in a separate post.) Given the enormous stakes, you don’t just want someone who has a shot. You want to be sure it’s the candidate with the best shot, to the extent you can ascertain that. But you simply can’t state as a fact that someone can’t win when virtually all the polling data shows they are at least a favorite. That’s certainly in spite of the evidence.​

A day is a life time in Politics. The pundits where wrong that Trump couldn't beat 17 experienced candidates to win the Republican Presidential
Nomination. They were wrong in that Hillary would beat Trump although the national polls were indeed accurate that Hillary would win more votes.
No one will know prior the election if Sanders can beat Trump.
The current pundits have assured us that Biden would easily win the Democratic Party Nomination. Maybe Biden will but it's not looking likely especially after the Nevada Caccus.
Kirk's Raiders

 

[5fish]

Our nation has elected a Black man as President, a Con-man as President so why can not a True Liberal be elected President.

The last election many Americans believed they were choosing between to crooks for President. This time they will be choosing between an honest human or a known liar, womanizer, con-man, thug of a man. I believe most Americans will choose their better angles and vote for the honest man.

 

[Viper21]

Our nation has elected a Black man as President, a Con-man as President so why can not a True Liberal be elected President.

The last election many Americans believed they were choosing between to crooks for President. This time they will be choosing between an honest human or a known liar, womanizer, con-man, thug of a man.

Bill Clinton can't run again.

Obama was a known liar as well:

White House web page: "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."

June 6, 2009: "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold."

June 23, 2009. "If you like your plan and you like your doctor, you won't have to do a thing. You keep your plan. You keep your doctor."

July 15, 2009. "If you like your doctor or health care provider, you can keep them. If you like your health care plan, you can keep that too."

https://www.politifact.com/obama-like-health-care-keep/


All of the above quotes were bold faced lies, that negatively affected MILLIONS of Americans, including my family.

I believe most Americans will choose their better angles and vote for the honest man.

Donald Trump has delivered on more of his campaign promises than any President in my lifetime. All with one arm tied behind his back. Imagine if the Democrats got on board with the will of the American people.

Bernie Sanders isn't going to be President. Not even in January 2025 when President Trump steps down from office.

 

[5fish]

Obama was a known liar as well:

Wrong attack victor. One lie Obama president compared to Trump 16,214 plus lies as president. I understand leaders have to lie from time to time but 16214 lies are beyond the pale for any leader. Obama lied was to ensure his healthcare plan got through Congress, while Trump lies for lying sake and lies to glorify himself, like crowd size at his inauguration. The worst part he then sends out people lie about his lie...

Link to give you a guide to his lies;
https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

Link: To top ten lies of 2019:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/31/poli...trump-top-lies-of-2019-daniel-dale/index.html

that negatively affected MILLIONS of Americans, including my family.

It did not negatively affect millions because of Obama healthcare plan 27 million more people have coverage.

Donald Trump has delivered on more of his campaign promises than any President in my lifetime.

Stack the courts with right-wing kooks that will end a women's access to safe abortions, give corporations the same rights as people(it's coming), one vote one person will end, and other right wing wish list since the 1980's. I have noticed the Republicans are just finishing up their agenda from the 1980s.
There are no new coal jobs, no new steel jobs, no new jobs in those rural areas that voted for him but the wealthy are much wealthier than before his term. The deficit now breaks a trillion a year because of overspending on defense and those tax cuts.

We are billions of dollars poor because of Trump's tariffs... In September of this year, U.S. consumers and businesses paid a record $7.1 billion in tariffs.

His traiffs cause job loss in the areas his promise to help... and put our farmers on the government payroll... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-trade-war-has-killed-300000-jobs-194717808.html

Forecasting firm Moody’s Analytics estimates that Trump’s trade war with China has already reduced U.S. employment by 300,000 jobs, compared with likely employment levels absent the trade war. That’s a combination of jobs eliminated by firms struggling with tariffs and other elements of the trade war, and jobs that would have been created but haven’t because of reduced economic activity.

The firm’s chief economist, Mark Zandi, told Yahoo Finance that the job toll from the trade war will hit about 450,000 by the end of the year, if there’s no change in policy. By the end of 2020, the trade war will have killed 900,000 jobs, on its current course. The hardest-hit sectors are manufacturing, warehousing, distribution and retail.

LINK: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...y-trump-s-28-billion-bailout-isn-t-a-solution

China hawks in Trump’s administration want Beijing to quit subsidizing strategic industries, yet that hasn’t deterred the White House from doling out billions in aid to American farmers, who have become more dependent on government money than they’ve been in years. At $28 billion so far, the farm rescue is more than twice as expensive as the 2009 bailout of Detroit’s Big Three automakers, which cost taxpayers $12 billion. And farmers expect the money to keep flowing: In an August survey by Purdue University and the CME Group, 58% said they anticipate another round of trade aid next year.

I am just showing Trump has not kept his promises with anyone but the rich and the religious right...

 

[Viper21]

Wrong attack victor. One lie Obama president

One...?! Just one...?! hahahahaha. You can't be serious.

Here's 50 for starters.... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=barack-obama&ruling=false

compared to Trump 16,214 plus lies as president. I understand leaders have to lie from time to time but 16214 lies are beyond the pale for any leader. Obama lied was to ensure his healthcare plan got through Congress, while Trump lies for lying sake and lies to glorify himself, like crowd size at his inauguration. The worst part he then sends out people lie about his lie...

Link to give you a guide to his lies;
https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

Link: To top ten lies of 2019:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/31/poli...trump-top-lies-of-2019-daniel-dale/index.html

Pure propaganda. Much of the stuff in these partisan articles calls a mistake, or misspeaking on something, a lie.

It did not negatively affect millions because of Obama healthcare plan 27 million more people have coverage.

It negatively affected my family, & millions more. Simply a fact, not fiction. How many people's insurance premiums skyrocketed..? Most all of them. How many people lost their coverage, & were forced to get new/different coverage..? Most people. Plus, fining people for not having insurance..?! Yikes. At least the SCOTUS is making that aspect of it right.

Stack the courts with right-wing kooks that will end a women's access to safe abortions, give corporations the same rights as people(it's coming), one vote one person will end, and other right wing wish list since the 1980's. I have noticed the Republicans are just finishing up their agenda from the 1980s.

Yeah. How dare the Supreme Court actually uphold the Constitution. You know.... what they are actually supposed to do.

There are no new coal jobs, no new steel jobs, no new jobs in those rural areas that voted for him but the wealthy are much wealthier than before his term. The deficit now breaks a trillion a year because of overspending on defense and those tax cuts.

Simply not true. You don't achieve the lowest unemployment in generations by not creating jobs.

We are billions of dollars poor because of Trump's tariffs... In September of this year, U.S. consumers and businesses paid a record $7.1 billion in tariffs.

Oh.... so NOW you're a fiscal conservative...? Where were you when the Obama administration upped the National debt by more than every president before him combined..? I'm sure you were outraged then, no..? Gimmie a break dude. You cant (with any credibility), advocate all these social programs, free health insurance, student debt forgiveness, green new deal, etc.... and at the same time claim outrage over fiscal responsibility. laughable at best. All the programs, & spending Bernie wants..... tens of trillions.

I am just showing Trump has not kept his promises with anyone but the rich and the religious right...

No you're not. I'm not rich, or the religious right. He's kept his promises to me. He's fulfilled more campaign promises than any President in my lifetime. I cant wait to vote for him again. I figure a couple more judges on the bench, & he'll save the republic from the crazies for at least, the rest of my life. It'll be up to my children, & grandchildren to save the Constitution for the remainder of their lives.

 

[5fish]

advocate all these social program

The two biggest social programs which an I know you take part in are less than our military spending... 48% vs 54%

Military Spending in the United States. In fiscal year 2015, military spending is projected to account for 54 percent of all federal discretionary spending, a total of $598.5 billion.

Mandatory spending makes up nearly two-thirds of the total federal budget. Social Security alone comprises more than a third of mandatory spending and around 23 percent of the total federal budget. Medicare makes up an additional 23 percent of mandatory spending and 15 percent of the total federal budget.

Simply not true.

It is true the jobs he promises never happen but if you want to flip burgers that the jobs he created... I gave you links to prove it...

Here's 50 for starters....

Lok leaders lie but 50 or 100 Obama lies were for governing purposes... Trump has an innumerable number of lies and none to help him govern all for self-glorification... again I gave you two links..

No president in history can match your freak for lying... The debt Obama had to run up the debt to save the economy your freak inherited... You freak is running up a debt to make rich people wealthier...

 

[Viper21]

The two biggest social programs which an I know you take part in are less than our military spending... 48% vs 54%

Military Spending in the United States. In fiscal year 2015, military spending is projected to account for 54 percent of all federal discretionary spending, a total of $598.5 billion.

Mandatory spending makes up nearly two-thirds of the total federal budget. Social Security alone comprises more than a third of mandatory spending and around 23 percent of the total federal budget. Medicare makes up an additional 23 percent of mandatory spending and 15 percent of the total federal budget.



It is true the jobs he promises never happen but if you want to flip burgers that the jobs he created... I gave you links to prove it...



Lok leaders lie but 50 or 100 Obama lies were for governing purposes... Trump has an innumerable number of lies and none to help him govern all for self-glorification... again I gave you two links..

No president in history can match your freak for lying... The debt Obama had to run up the debt to save the economy your freak inherited... You freak is running up a debt to make rich people wealthier...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......! I don't know what's funnier. What you've typed, or that you actually believe it.

Obama lied to govern, Trump lies for self glorification... Impossible to have an honest conversation, if that is what you really believe. You have to ignore a lot of facts to come up with your assertions. I'm afraid there's no help for you 5fish. You have a bad case of TDS.

 

[5fish]

Impossible to have an honest conversation, if that is what you really believe. You have to ignore a lot of facts to come up with your assertion

The funny thing is I feel same as one. Impossible to reason with Trump people... The only hope I have is demographics favor my team here will be a point in this century a Republicans will be unable win the Whitehouse... Demographics pint to a dying party...