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No the creation of dirigibles was not possible during the ACW. If you actually studied the history of dirigibles you will see that dirigibles were highly dangerous and unreliable aircraft even during WWI 60 years after the ACW. Something like forty percent of the 85 German dirigibles were destroyed in accidents.
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if being shot at by british fighter aircraft using incendary amunition counts as 'accident' you are right. for one reason or another the brits didn't like to be bombed from above and incendary rounds and large amonunts of hydrogene make for impressive fireworks.
 

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if being shot at by british fighter aircraft using incendary amunition counts as 'accident' you are right. for one reason or another the brits didn't like to be bombed from above and incendary rounds and large amonunts of hydrogene make for impressive fireworks.
Read the Wiki article that is sourced high winds alone destroyed a large number of German dirigibles during WWII.
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Read the Wiki article that is sourced high winds alone destroyed a large number of German dirigibles during WWII.
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... and what again forced them to go high if not somebody shooting at them at lower altitude. we can agree, though that airships are not much of military use besides long range maritime patrols and for weather work.

and i guess you meant WWI party
 

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... and what again forced them to go high if not somebody shooting at them at lower altitude. we can agree, though that airships are not much of military use besides long range maritime patrols and for weather work.

and i guess you meant WWI party
Yes I meant WW1. Dirigibles had to also fly high due to anti aircraft fire. True American dirigibles in the Carribean during WWII were successful in limiting U Boat attacks.
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Those airship were used to bomb London.... think of DC... 1864



They bombed Belgian cities too... think Northern cities before the election of 1864
Yes but the Germans weren't using 1860s technology to do so and there bombing of cities was more of a nuisance. The idea of the Confederacy actually using technology that a much more advanced nation wasn't able to practically use until sixty plus years later is a bit of a fantastical idea.
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No the creation of dirigibles was not possible during the ACW. If you actually studied the history of dirigibles you will see that dirigibles were highly dangerous and unreliable aircraft even during WWI 60 years after the ACW. Something like forty percent of the 85 German dirigibles were destroyed in accidents.
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Yes, the airships do tend to crash or bust into balls of fire but they could have done this to Washington , Baltamore, Phildeliphia or New York just four all you need...

It wasn't until Sept. 8, 1915, that Germany had its new bomber tactics under control. That night, four dirigibles rose up over the North Sea and made for London. Their prime target was, of all things, the Bank of England. The raid did great damage to civilian property and left 109 casualties in its wake.

Snip... the union has no plans...

Official English reports made light of the damage. But a German spy got hold of a secret report. It said the airships flew too high for English planes to reach or for searchlights to hold them. The damage had been far greater than they'd let on.

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Germany was delighted. They didn't see that there was much more to it. They poured resources into airships and expanded tactics. For example, they invented an observer capsule they could lower thousands of feet while the airship lurked in cloud cover.

Snip... read the link and see how it all ended...

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Yes, the airships do tend to crash or bust into balls of fire but they could have done this to Washington , Baltamore, Phildeliphia or New York just four all you need...

It wasn't until Sept. 8, 1915, that Germany had its new bomber tactics under control. That night, four dirigibles rose up over the North Sea and made for London. Their prime target was, of all things, the Bank of England. The raid did great damage to civilian property and left 109 casualties in its wake.

Snip... the union has no plans...

Official English reports made light of the damage. But a German spy got hold of a secret report. It said the airships flew too high for English planes to reach or for searchlights to hold them. The damage had been far greater than they'd let on.

Snip... resources...

Germany was delighted. They didn't see that there was much more to it. They poured resources into airships and expanded tactics. For example, they invented an observer capsule they could lower thousands of feet while the airship lurked in cloud cover.

Snip... read the link and see how it all ended...

Link:
The Zeppelin's used technology that was decades latter then the ACW. The Confederacy could not produce what would take Zeppelin decades to perfect well after the ACW.
The only proper role for dirrigibles post WWI as done during WWII was for weather balloons and antisubmarine warfare which the USN did in the Caribbean.
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The Zeppelin's used technology that was decades latter then the ACW. The Confederacy could not produce what would take Zeppelin decades to perfect well after the ACW.
The only proper role for dirrigibles post WWI as done during WWII was for weather balloons and antisubmarine warfare which the USN did in the Caribbean.
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I think the enthusiasm for dirigibles went down considerably after the incident of the Hindenburg.

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Military use did continue for some time but not so much civilian. Until the Goodyear Blimp! Always nice to see a perfectly peaceful, harmless, total balloon drift by enticing one to purchase the right wheels for their ride. Good advertising tool. However, recently the airship has been making a tentative comeback as an alternative to conventional air travel. Less likely to go ka-blooey either way!

Was the attack of the killer balloons by Japan during WWII mentioned? They launched a big batch of these incendiary things into the jet stream, which sent them drifting over the state of Oregon. One or two of them popped as planned and set the forest on fire, and another popped over a nice religious family happily having a picnic out in the boondocks...killed all five of them.
 

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The first in flight... read the story of the real first powered flight....


If you happen to be passing through Chard, a small town in Somerset, England, you may be surprised to see signs welcoming you to the “birthplace of powered flight”. If you don’t believe your eyes, head to the town centre. On the high street you can see a bronze statue commemorating the world’s first aeroplane.

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Yes and no. Kitty Hawk certainly deserves its place in aviation history, but so does Chard. In June 1848, inventor John Stringfellow achieved the seemingly impossible when his steam-powered aeroplane flew the length of a disused lace mill in the centre of town.

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Stringfellow thus came within a whisker of immortality, except for one thing: he himself did not fly. His aeroplane was what we would call a drone. It wasn’t until Orville Wright achieved his 12-second, 37-metre flight in Kitty Hawk in 1903 that humans finally emulated the birds and achieved heavier-than-air powered flight.

Here is a link to history.net... some details of the first powered flight...

 

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The first in flight... read the story of the real first powered flight....


If you happen to be passing through Chard, a small town in Somerset, England, you may be surprised to see signs welcoming you to the “birthplace of powered flight”. If you don’t believe your eyes, head to the town centre. On the high street you can see a bronze statue commemorating the world’s first aeroplane.

snip..

Yes and no. Kitty Hawk certainly deserves its place in aviation history, but so does Chard. In June 1848, inventor John Stringfellow achieved the seemingly impossible when his steam-powered aeroplane flew the length of a disused lace mill in the centre of town.

snip...

Stringfellow thus came within a whisker of immortality, except for one thing: he himself did not fly. His aeroplane was what we would call a drone. It wasn’t until Orville Wright achieved his 12-second, 37-metre flight in Kitty Hawk in 1903 that humans finally emulated the birds and achieved heavier-than-air powered flight.

Here is a link to history.net... some details of the first powered flight...

Stringfellow's achievement is pretty well known. His drone was pretty small, but still it was a breakthrough. Samuel Langley's drones No. 5 and No. 6 were much bigger and had internal combustion engines. Not until the Wrights did a man successfully pilot an engine powered heavier than air plane.
 

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The French have a say in this... I got pictures and photos now...

The first flight of Giffard's steam-powered airship took place Sept. 24, 1852 — 51 years before the Wright Brothers' first flight. Traveling at about 6 miles per hour (10 kilometers/hour), Giffard traveled almost 17 miles (27 kilometers) from the Paris racecourse to Elancourt, near Trappes.

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The first round trip...

The first airship to return to its starting point was a vast improvement over earlier models. Charles Renard and Arthur C. Krebs, inventors and military officers in the French Army Corps of Engineers, built an elongated balloon, La France. It was 165 feet (50.3 meters) long, and it had a capacity of 66,000 cubic feet (1,869 cubic meters). A battery-powered electric motor propelled La France.

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