Could slavery have survived the new 19th century technologies?

[Joshism]

But my question is could that isolation be maintained as the wired nation grew?

I think Jim Crow proves it could.

 

[Union8448]

I think Jim Crow proves it could.

Jim Crow was not chattel slavery. And the south was then reunited with the US and reunited with its Democratic allies in the north. So I disagree that the apartheid regime is relevant evidence.

 

[diane]

The South was allowed to create its own nation after the war by skirting the Constitution and making its own laws to re-establish slavery. It was even better - didn't have to take care of the slave. It was a brutal extension of what happens when you try to stop being the bottom rail they need you to be. The freedmen and their descendants succeeded amazingly in all areas, there was a renaissance in art, music, literature - in short, everything that had been taught about the African to justify slavery was wrong. So...step on it! The huge error made was the US did not occupy the South longer, and stick their nose in their business longer. The Federal government did not make sure the amendments the rebel states had agreed to were being followed - apparently they had their fingers crossed behind their backs. They were not stopped from doing a sneak-around, and things in the South were so bad there was a mass migration out of there. And it got even worse. It took another hundred years to do what the CW did not do - ensure freedom for all citizens. Slavery by other names was the result of this failure.

 

[Union8448]

The South was allowed to create its own nation after the war by skirting the Constitution and making its own laws to re-establish slavery. It was even better - didn't have to take care of the slave. It was a brutal extension of what happens when you try to stop being the bottom rail they need you to be. The freedmen and their descendants succeeded amazingly in all areas, there was a renaissance in art, music, literature - in short, everything that had been taught about the African to justify slavery was wrong. So...step on it! The huge error made was the US did not occupy the South longer, and stick their nose in their business longer. The Federal government did not make sure the amendments the rebel states had agreed to were being followed - apparently they had their fingers crossed behind their backs. They were not stopped from doing a sneak-around, and things in the South were so bad there was a mass migration out of there. And it got even worse. It took another hundred years to do what the CW did not do - ensure freedom for all citizens. Slavery by other names was the result of this failure.

But that mass migration, along with their self directed culture, those things were the difference.

 

[diane]

The freed people were very keen to progress and improve. When they began to take steps in that direction, the fear of change came out in their former masters. They wanted it back the way it was, which was very good for them!

 

[Union8448]

I think Jim Crow proves it could.

Jim Crow was powerful because the south was back in the US., The Democrats protected the structure, and the southern states were immune from international pressure. Also Texas received outside investment and got its railroads.

 

[5fish]

Republican in the North followed Jim Crow light. Look up sunset towns in the North and there was segregation in the Northern cities. The black population had better schools and opportunities in the North even with some short comings. The South was more brutal about enforcing Jim Crow laws.

 

[5fish]

Jim Crow was powerful because the south was back in the US

Go to this form and see the hurdles Black Americans faced in the first half of 20th century...

Civil Rights Era 1954 – 1968

Discuss the Civil Rights Era. 1954 – 1968

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[Joshism]

Jim Crow was not chattel slavery. And the south was then reunited with the US and reunited with its Democratic allies in the north. So I disagree that the apartheid regime is relevant evidence.

South African apartheid didn't start until after WW2 and lasted over 50 years, into the 1990s, in the face of widespread international censure.

The South had a significant head start.

Jim Crow at least offered nominal education and some independence. Chattel slavery may have been less economically beneficial but allowed for tigher control.

 

[5fish]

Here is a work about the efficiency of Plantation... @Union8448

Fogel, a “Time on the Cross.”

Here is a Noble economist that said Slavery by the numbers was not that bad... Link: https://acton.org/pub/commentary/2019/04/17/secular-jew-makes-surprising-discovery-about-christians-and-american Robert Fogel (1922-2013), the son of Russian Jewish immigrants, was president of Cornell...

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Robert Fogel - Wikipedia

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[5fish]

Slavery and trains...

Railroads and Slavery...

Slavery is considered an agricultural phenomenon but southern railroads used and brought slaves... by the hundreds... https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/10/been-workin-on-the-railroad/ Snip... Ballton’s experience on the railroad was not unusual. Slavery is often thought of as a...

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