Confederate use Man-Lifting Kites....

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The Confederates could have used man-lifting kites as Sniper Station targeting union officers, or fire on Artillery units behind the lines. They could have used them to get behind union lines for clandestine operations. The last use just plan old observation use. Man-lifting kites go way back to ancient China...

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Marco Polo reported that man-lifting kites were used throughout China in the thirteenth century. It was not until 1894 that this feat was achieved in Europe. This was carried out by Baden Fletcher Smyth Baden-Powell, a younger brother of Robert Baden-Powell, the founder of the Scouting Movement.

snip... Link below will show 19th use of man-lifted kites use...


Man-carrying kites are believed to have been used extensively in ancient China, for both civil and military purposes and sometimes enforced as a punishment.[1]

The (636) Book of Sui records that the tyrant Gao Yang, Emperor Wenxuan of Northern Qi (r. 550-559), executed prisoners by ordering them to 'fly' using bamboo mats. For his Buddhist initiation ritual at the capital Ye, the emperor parodied the Buddhist ceremonial fangsheng 放生 "releasing caged animals (usually birds and fish)".[2] The (1044) Zizhi Tongjian records that in 559, all the condemned kite test pilots died except for Eastern Wei prince Yuan Huangtou.

Gao Yang made Yuan Huangtou [Yuan Huang-Thou] and other prisoners take off from the Tower of the Phoenix attached to paper owls. Yuan Huangtou was the only one who succeeded in flying as far as the Purple Way, and there he came to earth.[3]
The Purple Way (紫陌) road was 2.5 kilometres from the approximately 33-metre Golden Phoenix Tower (金凰台). These early manned kite flights presumably "required manhandling on the ground with considerable skill, and with the intention of keeping the kites flying as long and as far as possible."[4]

Stories of man-carrying kites also occur in Japan, following the introduction of the kite from China around the seventh century AD.[5] In one such story the Japanese thief Ishikawa Goemon (1558–1594) is said to have used a man-lifting kite to allow him to steal the golden scales from a pair of ornamental fish images which were mounted on the top of Nagoya Castle. His men manoeuvered him into the air on a trapeze attached to the tail of a giant kite. He flew to the rooftop where he stole the scales, and was then lowered and escaped.[citation needed] It is said that at one time there was a law in Japan against the use of man-carrying kites.[6]

In 1282, the European explorer Marco Polo described the Chinese techniques then current and commented on the hazards and cruelty involved. To foretell whether a ship should sail, a man would be strapped to a kite having a rectangular grid framework and the subsequent flight pattern used to divine the outlook.
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The technology was around all the Confederates had to have was a little imagination and they could have had Man flying kites. Think bout it, A thousand kites above Gettysburg firing down upon the union forces or at other battlefields thousands of confederate kites in the air causing havoc behind union lines...
 

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The Confederates could have used man-lifting kites as Sniper Station targeting union officers, or fire on Artillery units behind the lines. They could have used them to get behind union lines for clandestine operations. The last use just plan old observation use. Man-lifting kites go way back to ancient China...

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Marco Polo reported that man-lifting kites were used throughout China in the thirteenth century. It was not until 1894 that this feat was achieved in Europe. This was carried out by Baden Fletcher Smyth Baden-Powell, a younger brother of Robert Baden-Powell, the founder of the Scouting Movement.

snip... Link below will show 19th use of man-lifted kites use...


Man-carrying kites are believed to have been used extensively in ancient China, for both civil and military purposes and sometimes enforced as a punishment.[1]

The (636) Book of Sui records that the tyrant Gao Yang, Emperor Wenxuan of Northern Qi (r. 550-559), executed prisoners by ordering them to 'fly' using bamboo mats. For his Buddhist initiation ritual at the capital Ye, the emperor parodied the Buddhist ceremonial fangsheng 放生 "releasing caged animals (usually birds and fish)".[2] The (1044) Zizhi Tongjian records that in 559, all the condemned kite test pilots died except for Eastern Wei prince Yuan Huangtou.


The Purple Way (紫陌) road was 2.5 kilometres from the approximately 33-metre Golden Phoenix Tower (金凰台). These early manned kite flights presumably "required manhandling on the ground with considerable skill, and with the intention of keeping the kites flying as long and as far as possible."[4]

Stories of man-carrying kites also occur in Japan, following the introduction of the kite from China around the seventh century AD.[5] In one such story the Japanese thief Ishikawa Goemon (1558–1594) is said to have used a man-lifting kite to allow him to steal the golden scales from a pair of ornamental fish images which were mounted on the top of Nagoya Castle. His men manoeuvered him into the air on a trapeze attached to the tail of a giant kite. He flew to the rooftop where he stole the scales, and was then lowered and escaped.[citation needed] It is said that at one time there was a law in Japan against the use of man-carrying kites.[6]

In 1282, the European explorer Marco Polo described the Chinese techniques then current and commented on the hazards and cruelty involved. To foretell whether a ship should sail, a man would be strapped to a kite having a rectangular grid framework and the subsequent flight pattern used to divine the outlook.
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The technology was around all the Confederates had to have was a little imagination and they could have had Man flying kites. Think bout it, A thousand kites above Gettysburg firing down upon the union forces or at other battlefields thousands of confederate kites in the air causing havoc behind union lines...
If no army adopted them then maybe there is a good reason for that.
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Flying Coffins were used in WWII...it was an appropriate name! However, these paragliders were the first stealth aircraft. The survival rate was not good, though! I just can't see kites having any survival rate...which seems to be why it occurred to the Chinese to use it as a method of execution!
 

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Flying Coffins were used in WWII...it was an appropriate name! However, these paragliders were the first stealth aircraft. The survival rate was not good, though! I just can't see kites having any survival rate...which seems to be why it occurred to the Chinese to use it as a method of execution!
Flying coffins nonsence flying killing snipper craft. Think thousands of man lifting crafts flying above the Union and Confederate lines at St. Petesburg snipping union officers and so...
 

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Resurrecting the sniper-on-a-kite idea for WW2, a young man's dream to be a fighter pilot, sans engine:

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Flying coffins nonsence flying killing snipper craft. Think thousands of man lifting crafts flying above the Union and Confederate lines at St. Petesburg snipping union officers and so...
That just invoked a visual involving Ride of the Valkeries, 5fish!
 

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The Confederates could have used man-lifting kites as Sniper Station targeting union officers, or fire on Artillery units behind the lines. They could have used them to get behind union lines for clandestine operations. The last use just plan old observation use. Man-lifting kites go way back to ancient China...

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Marco Polo reported that man-lifting kites were used throughout China in the thirteenth century. It was not until 1894 that this feat was achieved in Europe. This was carried out by Baden Fletcher Smyth Baden-Powell, a younger brother of Robert Baden-Powell, the founder of the Scouting Movement.

snip... Link below will show 19th use of man-lifted kites use...


Man-carrying kites are believed to have been used extensively in ancient China, for both civil and military purposes and sometimes enforced as a punishment.[1]

The (636) Book of Sui records that the tyrant Gao Yang, Emperor Wenxuan of Northern Qi (r. 550-559), executed prisoners by ordering them to 'fly' using bamboo mats. For his Buddhist initiation ritual at the capital Ye, the emperor parodied the Buddhist ceremonial fangsheng 放生 "releasing caged animals (usually birds and fish)".[2] The (1044) Zizhi Tongjian records that in 559, all the condemned kite test pilots died except for Eastern Wei prince Yuan Huangtou.


The Purple Way (紫陌) road was 2.5 kilometres from the approximately 33-metre Golden Phoenix Tower (金凰台). These early manned kite flights presumably "required manhandling on the ground with considerable skill, and with the intention of keeping the kites flying as long and as far as possible."[4]

Stories of man-carrying kites also occur in Japan, following the introduction of the kite from China around the seventh century AD.[5] In one such story the Japanese thief Ishikawa Goemon (1558–1594) is said to have used a man-lifting kite to allow him to steal the golden scales from a pair of ornamental fish images which were mounted on the top of Nagoya Castle. His men manoeuvered him into the air on a trapeze attached to the tail of a giant kite. He flew to the rooftop where he stole the scales, and was then lowered and escaped.[citation needed] It is said that at one time there was a law in Japan against the use of man-carrying kites.[6]

In 1282, the European explorer Marco Polo described the Chinese techniques then current and commented on the hazards and cruelty involved. To foretell whether a ship should sail, a man would be strapped to a kite having a rectangular grid framework and the subsequent flight pattern used to divine the outlook.
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The technology was around all the Confederates had to have was a little imagination and they could have had Man flying kites. Think bout it, A thousand kites above Gettysburg firing down upon the union forces or at other battlefields thousands of confederate kites in the air causing havoc behind union lines...
I assume your kites in the mid-19th century would be made of silk. WW2 parachutes had 60 square yards of nylon and the trooper would still hit the ground at 20 mph. To take a sniper and his arms aloft you would need much more fabric and they didn't have synthetics in the 1860s. In fact, where in your scenario do you get thousands of square yards of silk?
 

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I assume your kites in the mid-19th century would be made of silk. WW2 parachutes had 60 square yards of nylon and the trooper would still hit the ground at 20 mph. To take a sniper and his arms aloft you would need much more fabric and they didn't have synthetics in the 1860s. In fact, where in your scenario do you get thousands of square yards of silk?

 

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The famous confederate silk balloon that supposedly had to be stitched together from hundreds of ladies gowns...

I was being a smart ... which is my natural inclination. ;)

 

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Here are some ancient use of kites...

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Records of kites are found very early in Chinese history, and it is prophetic that they were first used in warfare, specifically in military signaling. When messages had to be sent over dangerous country, brilliantly colored kites were flown high enough to be seen. The Chinese general Han Sin used the kite as early as 200 B.C., when he was tunneling beneath the walls of his target—the Wei-Yang palace.

From Korea, too, come the tales of kites in war. Once, on the eve of a particularly critical battle, a Korean general attached a lantern to the tail of a kite and raised it into the air at night. His soldiers, believing this light to be a token of divine assistance, took new strength and courage. A later Korean general, when barred by a river across his route, flew a string to some people on the opposite bank, and thus drew across the ropes for a bridge.

Our earliest record of the kite as a man-lifting affair comes from ancient Japan. Two golden images of fish high atop the castle of Nagoya-Gyo are said to have motivated this feat. The golden fish attracted the greed of a bandit named Ishikawa Goyemon, but the baron who occupied the castle 400 years ago kept it heavily guarded. The bandit seated himself in a trapeze attached to the tail of a huge kite. In the dead of night, his cohorts maneuvered him into the air, and he flew to the rooftop. Once there, he stole many of the golden scales from the ornaments, then descended and escaped undetected.
 
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