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And apparently Hitler.

On how the Koch brothers' father built oil refineries for Hitler and Stalin


Fred Koch, the patriarch of the family, was an expert in building oil refineries, and he and a friend named William Rhodes Davis proposed building one in Germany during 1934, '35, that period in there. In 1933, Adolf Hitler became chancellor of the Third Reich in Germany, so this meant working under the Third Reich. And in order to get permission, they actually had to go to Hitler himself, and William Rhodes Davis did the "Heil Hitler" to greet Hitler, and finally they got Hitler to greenlight this proposal so that they could build an oil refinery in Hamburg.




And the Hamburg Oil Refinery, built by the Winkler-Koch Co., became key, according to several German historians I talked to, to Hitler's war efforts. By the time they built it, it was already clear that Hitler had very major military ambitions, but one of the things he was unable to do was to refine high-octane oil for warplanes. What this plant did was create that capacity, and it eventually supplied much of the fuel that was needed for Hitler's Luftwaffe.


He was not a Nazi, and I certainly don't suggest that in the book, but what he was was an American businessman looking for a good deal, and he was looking all over the world to see how he could make some money. Oddly, and what's been known before, is before working under Hitler's Third Reich, Fred Koch had worked for Stalin, where — under Stalin's first five-year plan — Fred Koch helped build up the Russian, the Soviet oil refineries and really gave huge muscle to the oil industry in the Soviet Union.

https://www.npr.org/2016/01/19/4635...ers-traces-their-childhood-and-political-rise
Of course in Koch's defense Koch violated no laws in building an oil refinery in a nation that the US had full diplomatic relations with. Apparently even though
the US had no diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union in the 1920s it was apparently legal for Americans to have commercial relations with the Soviet Union.
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Of course in Koch's defense Koch violated no laws in building an oil refinery in a nation that the US had full diplomatic relations with. Apparently even though
the US had no diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union in the 1920s it was apparently legal for Americans to have commercial relations with the Soviet Union.
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You are correct, he was bribing & "selling rope" ;) against the interests of his homeland.

If not for the Germans and then the greedy capitalists the U.S.S.R. would have been--likely--strangled in its cradle.
 

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You are correct, he was bribing & "selling rope" ;) against the interests of his homeland.

If not for the Germans and then the greedy capitalists the U.S.S.R. would have been--likely--strangled in its cradle.
That is a good " what if " point. We simply can't know a theoretical possibility. Certainly the US State Department Intelligence Bureau was not unaware of American business interests in the Soviet Union.
Interestingly enough the British firm Rolls Royce allowed Soviet engineers to tour their factory after WW2. The Soviets were allowed to license produce a jet engine that became the basis of the Mig 15 jet which when flown by properly trained pilot's such has Soviet volunteers in North Korea proved deadly against American aircraft.
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You are correct, he was bribing & "selling rope" ;) against the interests of his homeland.

If not for the Germans and then the greedy capitalists the U.S.S.R. would have been--likely--strangled in its cradle.
History.com has a brief article on a 1929 agreement between Ford Motor Company and the Soviet Union.Also 25 other major companies including Du Pont and RCA also signed commercial agreements with the Soviet Union despite no US recognition of the Soviet Union and a Republican Party that controlled all three branches actually four branches of the US government .
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Here list of Proxy wars in Africa ...


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Legacy
These proxy wars on the African continent represent just a small sample of the global scale of the Cold War. The ideological war between communism and capitalism claimed millions of lives and cost untold amounts of money. Unfortunately for most of the African nations swept up in these conflicts, their domestic issues were of secondary concern to the US and USSR. Because of these conflicts, numerous nations in central, eastern and southern Africa were destabilized economically, politically, and socially. Pervasive issues stemming from these conflicts remain to this day and show the painful legacy of the Cold War.9
 

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Here are some anti-commie Poles... cursed soldiers...


The "cursed soldiers"[3] (also known as "doomed soldiers",[4] "accursed soldiers" or "damned soldiers"; Polish: żołnierze wyklęci) or "indomitable soldiers"[5] (Polish: żołnierze niezłomni) is a term applied to a variety of anti-Soviet and anti-communist Polish resistance movements formed in the later stages of World War II and its aftermath by members of the Polish Underground State. This all-encompassing term for a widely heterogeneous movement was introduced in the early 1990s.[6
 

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Here a list of anti communist para militaries... East Germans are missing...


The Central and Eastern European anti-Communist insurgencies fought on after the official end of the Second World War against the Soviet Union and the communist states formed under Soviet occupation and support.
The US actually parachuted supplies to the Baltic states in the early 2959s plus fast ship drop offs but in the end it didn't work out.
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Here a cols war unit... control the German labor?


In 1945, after the end of WW II, the U.S. Forces in Germany had to face serious problems. On the one hand, the U.S war participants had to be returned to their civilian lives at home, on the other hand, an immense number of military installations had to be guarded. All of these were confiscated real property that deemed to be required for the further occupation of Germany. To guard all of these objects would have been too demanding for the remaining U.S. Forces, especially as the prevailing situation compelled a strict guard. The British and the French Forces had to face the same problems
 

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Here a cols war unit... control the German labor?


In 1945, after the end of WW II, the U.S. Forces in Germany had to face serious problems. On the one hand, the U.S war participants had to be returned to their civilian lives at home, on the other hand, an immense number of military installations had to be guarded. All of these were confiscated real property that deemed to be required for the further occupation of Germany. To guard all of these objects would have been too demanding for the remaining U.S. Forces, especially as the prevailing situation compelled a strict guard. The British and the French Forces had to face the same problems
They seem to be a type of local police not part of the US Army.
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We fought the Chinese in Vietnam...

https://www.deseret.com/1989/5/16/18807144/china-admits-it-sent-troops-to-fight-the-u-s-in-vietnam

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Th semiofficial China News Service said Tuesday in a report monitored in Hong Kong that China sent 320,000 soldiers to Vietnam during the 1960s. It also spent over $20 billion to support Hanoi's regular North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong guerrilla units.The agency report cited "The History of the People's Republic of China," published by the official State Archives Publishing House, as saying that more than 4,000 Chinese soldiers were killed in the war.

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During the war China repeatedly denied U.S. allegations that its soldiers were operating in Vietnam. U.S. intelligence reports at the time spoke of U.S. combat units finding soldiers dressed in Chinese combat gear and wearing Chinese insignia.
 

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I hope china has upgraded their tactics from 1979...


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China is considered to have underperformed in that conflict, and while China's military is much different today, the Sino-Vietnamese War still has implications.
 

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You can't be both a both a capitalist and patriot.

Patriots put their country first. Capitalists put profit first. The best interests of your profit often run counter to the best interests of your country.

History shows which $ide they're usually on.

Happy Black Friday. The day where many Americans wor$hip their real god.
 

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You can't be both a both a capitalist and patriot.

Patriots put their country first. Capitalists put profit first. The best interests of your profit often run counter to the best interests of your country.

That depends upon which Henry you are:

A Kaiser:


or a Ford:

The Silent Partner: How the Ford Motor Company Became an
Arsenal of Nazism
Daniel Warsh
University of Pennsylvania, warsh.daniel@gmail.c

 
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