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I have been reading churches and our Civil War and it seems there a correlation between our National Churches breaking up over slavery and Nation falling into Civil War.
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Did you think about it until you read the sentence? The churches failed first and the our government followed later...
Mr. Fish, I was aware of the breakaway of the "southern" branches of the various denominations probably before you were even aware of the Civil War. I'm not sure why you have decided thst you need to educate me. But please stop it. Go find Mikey and play with him.
 

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Oh, @Jim Klag , just consider me refresher course. I am updating you license getting those seminar hours in... keeping your credentials updated on the Civil War...
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Over a dozen Confederate veteran Parades simply feature Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson. What's important here is that Robert E Lee is descended from George Washington in his home state of Virginia , the Puritan Pilgrims, and that Stonewall Jackson is a Presbyterian Elder in "Stonewall Jackson's Way" in Communion with Puritan Pilgrims, and as all Alabama Governors have noted is that there is a Covenant between those populations, an agreement, a Religious Agreement. His Biographer Robert Dabney proudly listed a stock that is Scots-Irish for General Thomas Jackson. President Woodrow Wilson is proudly and notably Scots-Irish and proudly and notably a figurehead of the Confederates and the Lost Cause. Woodrow Wilson noted all Americans by their ancestry, origins, or if they believed that to be one of the States.



Woodrow Wilson actually had many good ideas including the League of Nations as a Christian peace.



As a Cause to champion that lost on occasions, we are noting historical and Civil War based politicians in this , only.



Shout out from that big Red X called Alabama. Christian Religion never reported to Caesar. Christian Religion never accepted the Head of Government being the Sanctuary, retreat, and solace from Governments. Scotland was never in a Roman Empire and never reported to Caesar anyway. Read Robert Dabney's "Life and Campaigns of Stonewall Jackson" around page 650 on religion and famous "Gods and Generals" scenes. Politicians have setup Presbyterianism here to be attacking its own tail and to be defeating itself. Just list the evidence from the Census of 1920, 1950, to today. Presbyterianism has (outmoded) itself 3 times. Check for Presbyterian Church in United States , to United Presbyterian, to PC(USA), no you already knew correctly, Churches eternal aren't outmoded. No they're not keeping things the same or consolidating. The populations identifying with this essentially decline from 7 million to less than 2 million. Are we to note 9 million Presbyterians in Korea today with what veracity, given Yonsei University, Horace Underwood, Jejoongwon TV, and other accounts? Horace Underwood spoke how hard it was to learn native-born Korean manners, about native Churches in America, about Yankees the New England type persons, the type peoples in which he was instructing native in Korea with 4 mission goals concerning the native building of the Church of Korea. The outmode of Latin as Lingua Franca, I note the Westminster Confession relevantly speaking of New Testament Greek.



Attached to this are 3 simulated maps that hold true world religion and culture today. Although, with a Western focus , the subcultures of China is a nice addition.











Presbyterianism is going to be self-defeating as long as there is a South Korean flag hanging in the National Presbyterian Church in Washington D.C. as if the first Church in 1885 is wrong. They sing “My Country Tis of Thee” for politicians, it’s a Christian Communion question, we’re not having Scotland or Korea perform a Puritan Pilgrim ancestor worship in Thanksgiving where the immigrants have Chuseok or other traditions. There are many definitions a layers of nations a “Nation” of a language, descent or culture, a top-level nation, “a National Thanksgiving”. Jefferson Davis invented several Thanksgivings and I prefer Washington’s November declaration for the Ruler of Nations and the increase of science among all nations good to us.











These culture group placements have not seemed to change in 600 years. How is it that the Union can place on that religion such goals as far fetched as not recognizing any, or they’ll all effectively meet together, or they’ll all be the same place, or that is the character of the United States? I’m entirely invested in maintaining Hospitality. Bonnie Blue Scotland and the English Puritan Pilgrims and the American Pilgrim Museum in the Netherlands, the Swiss Reformation wall with Roger Williams and Oliver Cromwell, and Yonsei the land of Joseon and the Morning Calm, the Magyars in Transylvania have also been through many governments , should be an in-group religion.







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So I read a stack of books from Confederate Generals and a stack of books from Korean legalists. Eisenhower said the abiding faith of our fathers (whatever it is I don't care defend a mosque) must believe All Men are Created Equal (even the judeo christian concept) and Reagan spoke of John Winthrop's "Shining City on a Hill" and we see the same year as these the morphing evolutions of United Presbyterians '58 and the PC(USA) '83 that's when there's a MLK Jr. holiday.
Robert Dabney is Correct about the Universalist chaplains of the Union. He's Correct to defend the Liberty of an orthodox and correct Presbyterian communion, and to cast out the Romish (Romanist, Popery, Papist) Church the uprising tyrant of the Church's history.
Looks like they sang this hymn in camp Stonewall Jackson up front.
Anyone like this one from 1912?

There could be a MLK Jr. holiday without it though look what he said too at the Washington D.C. speech closing with "Protestants and Catholics" and everyone, cross-denominational?

So I've heard of Hawaii and Hawaiians. I've heard of Virginia Mother of Presidents, Appalachia Scots-irish , hill billies, Clarksburg West Virginia has a Bonnie Flag, Lexington WV, Stonewall Jackson.I've heard of Alabama and Puritan Pilgrims that Alabama celebrates the tricentennial commemorative Puritan pilgrim halfdollar and the Alabama Governor halfdollar. State song of Alabama. Sing with new meaning "My Country Tis of Thee" said MLK Jr. in Washington, they sure work hard, there's a lot of work going on here. I've heard of Louisiana, pre-Napoleonic French too. Did by their signatures and enforcement and power lent to the Declaration of Independence to a Continental Congress and then signatures to the other attempts at government like confederation or Union Constitution have their willpower's taken away and character changed?
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Did those signing the Confederate treaty of Declaration of independence have their character and wills altered or distorted as happy signers of this Constitution? There's the legal side. Did you know in 1910 that Korea supposedly was annexed by treaty by Japan. "A contract is a legally binding document between at least two parties that defines and governs the rights and duties of the parties to an agreement. "
Self-Determination in international standards and the forced signing of the Annexation Treaty as an illegal treaty is the topic. The lineage of legal government on the Korean Peninsula you'd be tested in Citizenship tests about the Provisional Government of Korea , the 1919 March 1st protest movement and the Government in exile in China. There is no international recognition at that point of Japanese Annexation. Woodrow Wilson's 14 points were influential and points to the self-determination of peoples in the world during the Empire age of nations within Empires, end of World War 1 essentially concerning the Orthodox nations within Austrian Empire and the Austrian Prince's assassination.
South Carolina first called this American Empire, Yankee Empire, a Declaration of Independence of "Free and Independent States", reads united "States of America". Before these favorite traditions of the 1789 Constitution were made, there was 1 minister of Princeton Presbyterianism and Founding Father John Witherspoon and as Minister of Continental Congress makes for a Denominational Alignment of the World Church as a Spirit of Independence in America. Perhaps no show of connection of Church and State should suggest that's still the favorite. Jefferson Davis called on the God of Our Fathers when there was Confederate Treaty as you read in the Westminster Confession the Puritans like Oliver Cromwell wrote this in Westminster London as an agreement to make a Reformed Confession was a condition made by the Scots, was only adopted in the Church of England for a while also the Church of Scotland until the Catholic restoration. Puritan Pilgrims are notable.


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The 1600 date of Protestant Reformation shows Reformed Calvinists the Lighter Blue with regional affiliation in England, that is called the Calvinist Anglicans that want to Reform the Church which are called Puritan which do not succeed which are called Puritan Pilgrims.



The Culture Maps are hard to make a Legend for so check for them below under the simulation homepages. Noted how that the Highlands of Scotland speak the last Scottish Gaelic. Introductions of Germanic elements from English or Netherlands created a “Scottish” language which in these two “Culture” maps makes southern Scotland part of a Culture Group but also an individual Culture “Scottish”, the origin word for Bonnie in Bonnie Blue Flag, or Southern Battlecry of Freedom, or God save the South.







The Belhar Confession | Reformed Church in America (rca.org)







This Confession in line with Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., Eisenhower, Reagan, and others, essentially erases word for word the intent of every mission in Presbyterianism from Scotland or America in Horace Underwood’s case in creating his own racial/National/linguistic/cultural/homeland Church of Korea here today.







Besides the Individual Culture map and the Culture Group map is a Protestant Reformation map that groups Calvinists as “Reformed” and the Lutherans and the Anglican “Big Tent/Bridge Church” as Protestant.







So when Jefferson Davis calls upon the God of his Fathers in the independent Character of States , we can see Puritan Pilgrims pictured as Reformed who will leave the Church of England who previously held agreement with the Church of Scotland (Confederately) in the Westminster Confession, and these population groups together account for all the missionary activity and Churches in the world today.







Culture - Europa Universalis 4 Wiki (paradoxwikis.com)



Religion - Europa Universalis 4 Wiki (paradoxwikis.com)
 

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down pi.gif find a historic map, not one from a 'puter game - that took me 5 seconds and your game map is quite simply

bullshit !!



... i thought we had an agreement that you stop that nonsense and don't get jailed (for said nonsense that is) as a reward for it cop.gif

we can still discuss maps but game maps just don't cut it - i can easily show you a hearts of iron map where we (germany) win world war II for fuck's sake

your 'korean' stuff has been moved to off-topic
 
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View attachment 6275 These and similar ugly ones... I remember.
game maps may be prettier but they make no sense whatsoever as you never know what is history and what is gamer's acchievements - that's why games maps are a no go

... and please try a bigger map (this seems to be just a thumbnail) next time
 

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game maps may be prettier but they make no sense whatsoever as you never know what is history and what is gamer's acchievements - that's why games maps are a no go

... and please try a bigger map (this seems to be just a thumbnail) next time
Ya the game itself gives a horrible grab-all opinion of statecraft with little to achieve in religious unity for example, the score is a family reputation for starters. But the cultural or religious maps for each year are accurate and beautiful off the main menu and the extended timeline reveals hellenism the syncretism in Christianity and the Roman Empire, that's nice. Or Oliver Cromwell time period has the English Civil War with the Old Dominion State included.
 

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Ya the game itself gives a horrible grab-all opinion of statecraft with little to achieve in religious unity for example, the score is a family reputation for starters. But the cultural or religious maps for each year are accurate and beautiful off the main menu and the extended timeline reveals hellenism the syncretism in Christianity and the Roman Empire, that's nice. Or Oliver Cromwell time period has the English Civil War with the Old Dominion State included.
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... and btw, what has europe got to do with that sub-forum anyway?
 

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... and btw, what has europe got to do with that sub-forum anyway?
Many would proclaim Education from that one in the first place. its stuffed with historical pop-ups be it the Gutenburg Bible, the Protestants, the Reformed Reformation, the Counter-Reformation, etc... I played quite a few when I was in school, mainly math games. Courts and Laws of the Antebellum & Civil War Eras sub forum has the thread "Broken Churches... Slavery? " The laws of post-Civil War era Eisenhower administration spoke against slavery in relation to the abiding faith of this Religion , Reformed. PCUSA does have a seemingly professional compilation from that inaugural address... Eisenhower: Peace and Presbyterianism | Presbyterian Historical Society (pcusa.org)
I don't know how to address that inquiry. The world Church is composed of many Churches throughout Europe and America and now Africa forming a world Church that should be the one Church together. Presbyterians should typically traditionally is the Church in the Nations, the Church in homelands. "Uncle Tom's Cabin" actually sold 2 million copies in Britain, its more popular there than US sales? The CSS Alabama was made in Britain , that's a basis on the "Roll Alabama" or "Yea Alabama!" lyrics.
 

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Many would proclaim Education from that one in the first place. its stuffed with historical pop-ups be it the Gutenburg Bible, the Protestants, the Reformed Reformation, the Counter-Reformation, etc... I played quite a few when I was in school, mainly math games. Courts and Laws of the Antebellum & Civil War Eras sub forum has the thread "Broken Churches... Slavery? " The laws of post-Civil War era Eisenhower administration spoke against slavery in relation to the abiding faith of this Religion , Reformed. PCUSA does have a seemingly professional compilation from that inaugural address... Eisenhower: Peace and Presbyterianism | Presbyterian Historical Society (pcusa.org)
I don't know how to address that inquiry. The world Church is composed of many Churches throughout Europe and America and now Africa forming a world Church that should be the one Church together. Presbyterians should typically traditionally is the Church in the Nations, the Church in homelands. "Uncle Tom's Cabin" actually sold 2 million copies in Britain, its more popular there than US sales? The CSS Alabama was made in Britain , that's a basis on the "Roll Alabama" or "Yea Alabama!" lyrics.
vietnam is the war to which dwight d eisenhower is ante bellum (latin for before the war) - we use antebellum as in before the american civil war -> ike is definately off-topic
your roll alabama lyrics doesn't belong here as ...
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"Roll, Alabama, Roll" is an American-British sea shanty of the nineteenth century. It is based on the exploits of the CSS Alabama
... is by definition not before the war

please stop spamming innocent threads with stuff that goes incidentally through your head but has nothing to do with the topic of said threads as i have to clean up the resulting mess (i hate that)

feel free to open a thread songs glorifying css alabama (or somesuch) - honestly right now i wouldn't know where exactly but definately not here as there was no css alabama before the war.
 

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vietnam is the war to which dwight d eisenhower is ante bellum (latin for before the war) - we use antebellum as in before the american civil war -> ike is definately off-topic
your roll alabama lyrics doesn't belong here as ...

... is by definition not before the war

please stop spamming innocent threads with stuff that goes incidentally through your head but has nothing to do with the topic of said threads as i have to clean up the resulting mess (i hate that)

feel free to open a thread songs glorifying css alabama (or somesuch) - honestly right now i wouldn't know where exactly but definately not here as there was no css alabama before the war.
Well come on now, 5fish is full of a false premise in his very first post. I can't be off topic with a Thread that is off topic and a false premise. The Nicene Church Nicene Christianity - Wikipedia couldn't resolve among itself the idea of enslaving the Pagan area of the world anymore than whether it should conduct Crusades in the Holy Land? "Down in Alabam" is antebellum, that old Horse is in a Museum from Jerusalem. Be happy to come out of the Wilderness (that's where the Devil is and Temptation). How is there one African American Christian?
The Church isn't divided on expanding itself I'd bet.
 

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@5fish links to an article and quotes from it - it's not his premise he just brings it to everybody's attention. he's basicly talking about something he found (the word nicene doesn't even show up in that article he links to). do you try to discredit that article by talking about something completely different?
 

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@5fish links to an article and quotes from it - it's not his premise he just brings it to everybody's attention. he's basicly talking about something he found (the word nicene doesn't even show up in that article he links to). do you try to discredit that article by talking about something completely different?
Its the last cover-up, you shouldn't even be able to stand it, the cover ups trying to cover over themselves. Why does this Church which starts as an entire solid body of Christians in the Nicene period, break the first time? It in the 1000's AD has broken once in the Great Schism we now see Orthodox Christianity in the East and Catholic Christianity in the West, and that break is by all perspectives because the Pope as "Vicar" fell out of Association , Ecumenicism, Communion, with the Churches in the East as the one and Only Representative of Christ (is the Pope Catholic). Now you'll know the truth of it to find any reason for any northern Church breaking or becoming separate. Southern Presbyterianism never changed one thing or suggested one change to the Westminster Confession, it is international. It is not international that the Church is breaking that they setup other Confessions with it not throughout the Church, that they have COnstitutions, books of orders not throughout the international Church, that they have edited heavy sections of the Westminster Confession not in the international Church. They proclaim a singular power and unshared Divine character in unitary decisions.
 

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Its the last cover-up, you shouldn't even be able to stand it, the cover ups trying to cover over themselves. Why does this Church which starts as an entire solid body of Christians in the Nicene period, break the first time? It in the 1000's AD has broken once in the Great Schism we now see Orthodox Christianity in the East and Catholic Christianity in the West, and that break is by all perspectives because the Pope as "Vicar" fell out of Association , Ecumenicism, Communion, with the Churches in the East as the one and Only Representative of Christ (is the Pope Catholic). Now you'll know the truth of it to find any reason for any northern Church breaking or becoming separate. Southern Presbyterianism never changed one thing or suggested one change to the Westminster Confession, it is international. It is not international that the Church is breaking that they setup other Confessions with it not throughout the Church, that they have COnstitutions, books of orders not throughout the international Church, that they have edited heavy sections of the Westminster Confession not in the international Church. They proclaim a singular power and unshared Divine character in unitary decisions.
that's not the topic of this thread - start a thread the nicean cover-up (or whatever) in general discussion if you want to but don't spam that hobbyhorse of yours everywhere.
 

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that's not the topic of this thread - start a thread the nicean cover-up (or whatever) in general discussion if you want to but don't spam that hobbyhorse of yours everywhere.
I explained your first comment anyway. Now where is one of these Churches with a nickname not from the Nicene period from the Greek Church and Roman Church, Greek and its Presbyters, the Roman Church after the western Roman fall preserving Latin, supposedly, according to Scotland, the Byzantine Capitol Constantinople shipped the remains of St. Andrew of St. Andrew's cross to Scotland for safekeeping, how fanciful, Parthenon for a National Monument. Methodists Baptists and Presbyterians don't forsake the Historical Church as it flourished at the end of the Roman Empire through word of mouth, through slaves, through grassroots, the Call of Macedon, the Gateway to Europe, the Spirit called for help to a People in Europe. Korea, the Gateway of Asia. The Call of Korea by Horace Underwood.
Who isn't administratively working on the one Nicene Church, its like Scientologists. Its like Mormons...
 

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I explained your first comment anyway. Now where is one of these Churches with a nickname not from the Nicene period from the Greek Church and Roman Church, Greek and its Presbyters, the Roman Church after the western Roman fall preserving Latin, supposedly, according to Scotland, the Byzantine Capitol Constantinople shipped the remains of St. Andrew of St. Andrew's cross to Scotland for safekeeping, how fanciful, Parthenon for a National Monument. Methodists Baptists and Presbyterians don't forsake the Historical Church as it flourished at the end of the Roman Empire through word of mouth, through slaves, through grassroots, the Call of Macedon, the Gateway to Europe, the Spirit called for help to a People in Europe. Korea, the Gateway of Asia. The Call of Korea by Horace Underwood.
Who isn't administratively working on the one Nicene Church, its like Scientologists. Its like Mormons...
it is off-topic - if a thread is about cavalry engagements in (what is now) new mexico you don't talk dinosaurs (and their riders) either

... i can find a way to collect all your pertinent rants if you want me to

this deviation stops here and now cop.gif
 

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it is off-topic - if a thread is about cavalry engagements in (what is now) new mexico you don't talk dinosaurs (and their riders) either

... i can find a way to collect all your pertinent rants if you want me to

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Then your website is worse than Kim il-Sung, you accept one-sided adoration from Union fans and collect golden statues of yourselves. The War has cavalry engagements because every single Confederate knew of the Orthodox Church, "Freedom or Death" is the chant of the Greek Independence movement. The Latin Church attempts to convert the Orthodox Church throughout the Balkans. Every single song is about a great Caesar and Pope , a demagogue, an ochlocrat. Governor George Wallace is about the stations of Churches respecting each others stations and the races respecting their stations and basically, everything in its place. "Richmond is a Hard Road to Travel", appropriately links the ministries attached to Stonewall Jackson and the Union General Pope and a Universal Yankee Nation.
 
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