Brexit: Can Anyone Take the Wheel From Johnson?

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

Britain going to learn they have nothing to offer the larger nations of the world. GDP will flatline...

they do have one thing: total submission (the Don will that call a deal)

 

[5fish]

Are you hoping for them to fail? Why?

I hope 4 nothing I'm just saying the obvious

Here is an article about how long it takes to negotiate trade deals of the USA... some trade deal takes up to 10 years...

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/how-long-do-trade-deals-take-after-brexit/

UK - EU 10 years many think it will take to make a deal...

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...10-years-to-do-a-uk-eu-trade-deal-post-brexit

 

[Andersonh1]

Fail to mean of the word or words I like to use... I hope they choke on Britax for the same people who voted for Britax are similar to people here in America for Trump... We talking older xenophobic white people with race anxiety issues. .

I suspect you don't know a single Trump voter if that's who you believe they are and if you believe that's what motivates them to support him. Don't believe what the mass media tell you, go out and find some Trump voters and get to know them. Ask they why they support him.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

I suspect you don't know a single Trump voter if that's who you believe they are and if you believe that's what motivates them to support him. Don't believe what the mass media tell you, go out and find some Trump voters and get to know them. Ask they why they support him.

As I believe that I have expressed to you and others before, I was a life-long Republican and voted for Ronald Reagan. And every republican ticket up until this bull-shit artist came along. Mass media has certain draw-backs to be sure, one must be selective, but relying upon Fox News or such outlets as Breitbart/Steve Bannon for one's perspective is a total misapprehension of truth and or reason. I grew up around and now live again among what are now so-called "Trump voters". My evaluation is that they are on the whole honest and hard-working folks--and always have been-- but somewhere along the line something went hay-wire. And, to add I didn't vote for Hillary either.

 

[5fish]

I suspect you don't know a single Trump voter

Ooh.... I grew up and live in the south so I know a few too many Trump supporters. I will bring something up about them. They all want to go back in time when America was more white. They talk about schools or parks they or their children went to that is now not very white anymore. There is a nostalgia in their wants... some are more open about their race anxiety issues than others but its always underlining their nostalgic political wishes...

 

[Andersonh1]

My evaluation is that they are on the whole honest and hard-working folks--and always have been

I agree with this, and I think they're being badly smeared in the mass media.

Ooh.... I grew up and live in the south so I know a few too many Trump supporters. I will bring something up about them. They all want to go back in time when America was more white. They talk about schools or parks they or their children went to that is now not very white anymore. There is a nostalgia in their wants... some are more open about their race anxiety issues than others but its always underlining their nostalgic political wishes...

Funny, I too live in the South and know many Trump voters. The talk I hear is of the economy and moral issues like abortion and religious freedom, and how badly Trump is treated by the media and the Democrats, who cannot get over losing the last election. I don't hear anything about race at all from Trump voters.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

I don't hear anything about race at all from Trump voters.

Because it is taken, mostly for granted?

 

[Andersonh1]

Because it is taken, mostly for granted?

I think it's because race is simply not an issue that concerns them. People are people.

 

[Viper21]

Because it is taken, mostly for granted?

No. Because by & large, conservative minded folks don't care about race. We typically are more concerned with character. It's more liberal minded people, that are obsessed with race.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

This Dude Abides.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

I think it's because race is simply not an issue that concerns them. People are people.

I know better, because I have fought against my first internal impressions of folks all my life and continue to do so.

People are people.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

On behalf of all ‘future historians’, leave us out of your Brexit rants
Charlotte Lydia Riley

(snip)

Historians of the future will not judge us kindly. Historians of the future will vindicate us. (Historians of the future can feel their ears burning.) In the context of the debate around Brexit, and the past few years of turbulent political developments around the world, it feels like future historians have never been more present.


The appeal to the future historian is a common trope in times of crisis. The historian of the future is pictured as a horrified figure, peering back at the madness of contemporary life. So, people claim that the future historian will be baffled, or alarmed, or confused by what is going on right now. Historians of the future, who are rational adults, will not understand why we behave in the ridiculous ways that we do. This functions as a sort of gentle chiding, a call for us to be more sensible.


This always makes me feel slightly defensive on behalf of those historians, who are assumed to be so guileless. In reality, those future historians won’t be so confused. They will probably look at economic inequality, political disenfranchisement, a volatile media with low levels of trust, decades of complicated relations between Britain and the other European nations, decolonisation, deindustrialisation, xenophobia, racism, and the legitimate concerns of middle-class, home counties homeowners, and make an argument to explain why the referendum went the way it did. Historians have distance, and documents. They might see things that we can never understand in the moment, but they won’t be any more baffled than we are now.​

Sounds familiar, in a That Late Unpleasantness sort of way.

 

[5fish]

Stop Comparing Brexit to the Reformation - Brumafriend ...

Many have focused on the violence which surrounded the Reformation under the Tudors as although Mary I is known as ‘Bloody’, it was under Henry VIII that the legislative bedrock was established to justify execution on the grounds of heresy. Whilst it is true that trying to ignore the violence of the Reformation, which made up such a large part of it, is foolish

His article is but one part of a larger trend of comparing historical English (and British) events to its departure from the EU. Those in support of Brexit seem, however, to have a particular obsession with the Henrician Reformation of the 1530s and ’40s when it comes to historical comparisons

Whilst it is true that trying to ignore the violence of the Reformation, which made up such a large part of it, is foolish, Duncan Smith and other Brexiteers see the analogy as a bit more nuanced. The core of the argument is that England’s break from Rome under Henry VIII (and his children) is similar to the UK’s current plan to withdraw from the European Union, as both will grant more sovereignty to the country. In this very vague sense, the analogy isn’t actually incorrect. The Pope, Clement VII at the time, did have a significant amount of power as a result of England’s Catholic allegiance. The clergy paid the pope some of their annual revenue through annates and the Pope even had his hand in the law, as various crimes were dealt with in ecclesiastical courts. And, yes, the UK will undoubtedly gain more sovereignty from leaving the EU, which also has a hand in UK law. This is where the similarities end, however, and very quickly we see problems with the comparison.

 

[O' Be Joyful]

"Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?"

 

[5fish]

"Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?"

It was a fun seen to watch. Two good actors in their prime... not to be picky but Becket was 4 centuries before the reformation...

 

[O' Be Joyful]

not to be picky but Becket was 4 centuries before the reformation...

But timely.

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

they do have one thing: total submission (the Don will that call a deal)

who would have thought?

 

[5fish]

who would have thought?

Reap what you sow... They will weep for some time to come...

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

Reap what you sow... They will weep for some time to come...

300 years are nothing compared with restored glory
and the always could recall Your independence (wasn't unconditional)

 

[O' Be Joyful]

Reap what you sow... They will weep for some time to come...

They will weep what they have sown?