Black Confederates

[General Lee]

Once again, this is the level of scholarship we're dealing with here folks. If we leave him to it, he'll finish neutering the whole concept of "black Confederate" all on his own.

A level of scholarship you don't seam to understand when its practically spoon fed to you time and time again.

 

[General Lee]

So their sons and daughters of the black Confedrate Veterans could go to any Southern universty that they were qualified to go to?
Their sons and daughters could vote and marry who they wanted? Their sons and daughters didn't have to go to seperate schools nor seperate water fountains and they could eat at any restaurant or stay in any hotel?
Leftyhunter

That would be for another forum. Pretty much what you mentioned wasn't at all unique to the southern states. These men attended reunions proudly rater than run away to the North which didn't welcome them with open arms in the past. segregation did happen in the North too so don't try pulling that card because it only backfires. Your strategy here is nothing new to me by responding to plain evidence with only questions so you don't have to accept it and ignore it.

 

[jgoodguy]

Can you prove that? or any other claims made because these gents don't seam very miserable to me

Who cares what you think? Without evidence my opinion is superior.

 

[jgoodguy]

That would be for another forum. Pretty much what you mentioned wasn't at all unique to the southern states. These men attended reunions proudly rater than run away to the North which didn't welcome them with open arms in the past. segregation did happen in the North too so don't try pulling that card because it only backfires. Your strategy here is nothing new to me by responding to plain evidence with only questions so you don't have to accept it and ignore it.

I rule it in bounds for this forum.
You asserted:

. It seams to me that they were held in high regard by their comrades and southern people in the crowd. something to think about.

You have to live your assertion.

 

[General Lee]

Who cares what you think? Without evidence my opinion is superior.

Yeah funny how that works when in this thread I'm the guy putting in actual evidence, this time an actual photo and yet somehow you still can't accept whats right there. Your opinion being superior is what YOU think ,and there's no evidence of it being any other way than that so who cares about that? So your really gonna try telling me you know better in this topic when you really haven't disproved my point with any of your own evidence.

 

[General Lee]

I rule it in bounds for this forum.
You asserted:

You have to live your assertion.

What he said sounds a lot like Jim Crow (which there is a forum for that), not Black Confederates, but I can work with it.

 

[Leftyhunter]

That would be for another forum. Pretty much what you mentioned wasn't at all unique to the southern states. These men attended reunions proudly rater than run away to the North which didn't welcome them with open arms in the past. segregation did happen in the North too so don't try pulling that card because it only backfires. Your strategy here is nothing new to me by responding to plain evidence with only questions so you don't have to accept it and ignore it.

If it is true that black Confedrate Veterans were actually honored then their children would have equal rights. Since that is not the case then there simply weren't that many of any black Confedrate Veterans. If Black Confederate's served in large numbers surely large numbers of their sons and daughters would of graduated from Southern universities.
Leftyhunter

 

[Leftyhunter]

So your saying these people were for sure going to lynch them or are you like the other only trying to downgrade the evidence so you can ignore it?

Armies that actually had many soldiers if African heritage made a big deal about puplicaly letting the world know that to gain world wide sympathy such has Portugal,South Africa and Rhodesia. Surely all the foreiegn corespondents in the South would of remarked on the tens of thousands of alleged black Confedrate soldiers.
Leftyhunter

 

[jgoodguy]

What he said sounds a lot like Jim Crow (which there is a forum for that), not Black Confederates, but I can work with it.

Work with it, then.

 

[jgoodguy]

Yeah funny how that works when in this thread I'm the guy putting in actual evidence, this time an actual photo and yet somehow you still can't accept whats right there. Your opinion being superior is what YOU think ,and there's no evidence of it being any other way than that so who cares about that? So your really gonna try telling me you know better in this topic when you really haven't disproved my point with any of your own evidence.

OK so show us the wondrous integrated Southern Society of Reconstruction and Jim Crow era.

Nice photo though.

 

[jgoodguy]

Apparently from http://southernfriedcommonsense.blogspot.com/2015/04/150-years-ago-this-weekend-american.html

Which seems to have no attribution, sources nor context for this photo.

 

[diane]

I believe the photo is from somewhere in the May 18, 1911 United Confederate Veterans parade in Little Rock, Arkansas. About 11,000 veterans marched in it. Here is a little video of it - the horsemen, if I heard right, are Forrest's.

A little more reading on it - the blacks who participated were noted as 'loyal servants'. not soldiers, and appear to have been in the war in that capacity. The lone exception is a single black cavalryman who is in Confederate uniform. If this cavalry is indeed Forrest's...he wasn't a soldier either. Forrest listed no black soldiers in his command.

 

[jgoodguy]

the blacks who participated were noted as 'loyal servants'.

Black Confederates in someone's book.
Good find.

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

In the middle ages when there were parades always the whores were included, that doesn't mean honour or social inclusion, it was more

look what we've got

and / or

they are here, can't do any mischief

 

[jgoodguy]

In the middle ages when there were parades always the whores were included, that doesn't mean honour or social inclusion, it was more

look what we've got

and / or

they are here, can't do any mischief

One thing for sure, no white confederates were ever lynched.

 

[diane]

This UCV march in Little Rock wasn't just any reunion - it marked the 50th anniversary of the start of the war in 1861. That's an interesting anniversary to mark with great pomp and circumstance. And, it was again marked in 1961 with the Little Rock Freedom Riders.

 

[byron ed]

The sole purpose of the black Confederates fad is to sell that the Confederate cause wasn't about slavery ("cause look, even blacks fought for the Confederacy!") and that the secession South was the rightful heir of the original Constitution and the idea of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness (because slavery was a better condition than primitive tribal Africa or the industrial serfdom in Northern cities).

Why is the creation of such new fads necessary? -- because by the 1980s or so the precepts of the original Lost Cause became such an embarrassment in modern society. Confederate apologists had to scramble for a new narrative that would resurrect some semblance or repectability in modern society -- meaning their personal reputations, as if they were themselves Confederate.

And btw no one alive today is Confederate. The real ones are all dead, and no one today is willing to make the sacrifice it took to be a real Confederate -- to abandon the benefits and comforts of U.S. citizenship. So there are only play-Confederates, and as to why they haven't done enough in their own lives today to be proud of is the fair question.

Besides which play-Confederates do not speak for real Confederates. Those who properly memorialize the sacrifice and duty of the real Confederates are the ones to listen to, not the ones who make up stupid s--- about what the Confederacy was.

 

[General Lee]

Armies that actually had many soldiers if African heritage made a big deal about puplicaly letting the world know that to gain world wide sympathy such has Portugal,South Africa and Rhodesia. Surely all the foreiegn corespondents in the South would of remarked on the tens of thousands of alleged black Confedrate soldiers.
Leftyhunter

I made the claim of many Black soldiers I don't recall tens of thousands which I wouldn't doubt. I have showed them before, but I'll do it again with the accounts from the war and other documentation.

 

[General Lee]

OK so show us the wondrous integrated Southern Society of Reconstruction and Jim Crow era.

Nice photo though.

See, your trying to draw me out into the Jim crow argument so you can avoid the topic. This topic is about Black Confederates and that's what I posted rather than using the same tactic if you believe I'm wrong on my point that many Black men served then use your evidence.

 

[General Lee]

The sole purpose of the black Confederates fad is to sell that the Confederate cause wasn't about slavery ("cause look, even blacks fought for the Confederacy!") and that the secession South was the rightful heir of the original Constitution and the idea of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness (because slavery was a better condition than primitive tribal Africa or the industrial serfdom in Northern cities).

Why is the creation of such new fads necessary? -- because by the 1980s or so the precepts of the original Lost Cause became such an embarrassment in modern society. Confederate apologists had to scramble for a new narrative that would resurrect some semblance or repectability in modern society -- meaning their personal reputations, as if they were themselves Confederate.

And btw no one alive today is Confederate. The real ones are all dead, and no one today is willing to make the sacrifice it took to be a real Confederate -- to abandon the benefits and comforts of U.S. citizenship. So there are only play-Confederates, and as to why they haven't done enough in their own lives today to be proud of is the fair question.

Besides which play-Confederates do not speak for real Confederates. Those who properly memorialize the sacrifice and duty of the real Confederates are the ones to listen to, not the ones who make up stupid s--- about what the Confederacy was.

If it's such a fad then why were there so many accounts of them in the war?