Again, no. A black confederate is not a slave doing what his master makes him do. The definition of confederate is:
That in no way shape or form represents how everybody felt especially those in the heat of battle. Ive shown examples of Black folks fighting and preforming military functions.
You have shown hearsay and postwar hearsay of black men who marched with the rebel army. You have shown no PROOF of anything relating to fighting as actual SOLDIERS.
Where have you been ? yes I absolutley have, one. 2 sharpshooters 3 plus Holt Collier, two. numbers and accounts of them in battle. I've used many examples and evidence of them fighting.
Many slaves served where their masters told them to. They were not free to do anything. They were not paid. They were not soldiers. You have provided no first-hand evidence of anyone of color being an actual confederate OF HIS OWN FREE WILL. Unless someone is free to be what he wants to be he cannot be a soldier. Even if a black man fired a gun once, or swung a sword once, he was NOT FREE. Therefore he was in no way a soldier.
In your veiw, what about the free man that served that I've mentioned like 4 times.
Wow! One free man. Even if proven, one free man doth not a bunch of soldiers make. You seem to refuse to acknowledge that, except for your one alleged free man, these men were slaves and were with the army because they were made to by the men who owned them and their families. You want everybody to forget that pesky slave thing. If there were 1,000 black men with a rebel army, 999 of them were slaves. Admit that to yourself and you may just be able to see how silly it is to argue so hard to show that slaves, under the total control of their owners, were black confederates. Will you admit that, except for your one alleged free guy, these are all slaves we are talking about? Will you admit that?
Yeah many were slaves but time and time again many were eager to fight and you refuse to acknoledge really any evidence because it contradicts what you already beleive.
Eager? If you admit that they were slaves, you must admit that they were not free to do anything, eagerly or not. I defy you to show incontrovertible proof that any slave said he was EAGER to fight. In fact I defy you to show incontrovertible proof that any slave would even be with the army if it was up to him.
If you look back and read what I had posted you would know, yes many went with masters but when many had the chance to run they didn't, instead like the recent posts show the shot at the yanks instead.
If they didn't run it was not out of eagerness or loyalty, it was self preservation. They would have been shot - hell some of the white guys who ran were shot. No way a slave doesn't get shot if he runs. And what happens to his family back at massa's plantation.
It's not what I believe. It's the facts. Fact 1 - these were almost all slaves. Fact 2- by definition, a slave is not free. Fact 3 - even if you use the lower case definition of confederate it means "ally." Allies join each other freely and a slave is not free, therefore he cannot be an ally. Fact 4 - there are no pay stubs or paybooks for "black confederates" and the rebel government did not recognize them. White confederates got paid and were acknowledged by the rebel government. Black soldiers in the US Army got paid and were acknowledged by their government. Therefore whether you like it or not, there were exactly zero black confederates.
There were exactly thousands of Black Confederates. You used a point of free will and choices but think of how many white men and others were drafted so basically forces to fight also. But you didn't bring that up and the Black Confederates many fought and preformed functions for the Army or Navy to protect their homes and families.
Okay. Let's stop this once and for all. Pat Cleburne was a division commander in one of the two main rebel armies. In 1864 - in the third year of the war, he wrote a letter saying things were getting desperate so why don't we enlist slaves into the army. Why should the Yankees have them and we don't. Now, do you think he was blind? Were those thousands of black confederates invisible? If they were already there, why was one of the best rebel generals asking for them? And notice, in 1864, a rebel general was asking why blacks were fighting in the US Army and not in the rebel army. There goes your bogus theory about blacks FIGHTING in the rebel army before the US Army. This was a general who attended all the war councils in the western theater with the commanding generals. If there were thousands of black men fighting in his army, how is it that he did not know it. All your alleged postwar and secondhand witnesses are worthless compared to one of the rebel generals who saw no black soldiers in the Army of Tennessee in which he was a division commander. Let us see if you can explain that.
Or is it instead -- just as the title of the book says -- one of several anecdotal incidents presented? Here we have a picture book comprised of stories collected from aging veterans a quarter century after the war, and in this particular case a second-hand tale.
It will die, is dying. The current generation of those entering adulthood, even teenhood, and despite the agendas of their parents and grandparents, now have totally independent and unfiltered access to the actual history and records of the war. They will know that the Confederacy was literally (by it's own documents) founded on slavery. They will know that the Confederacy was soundly defeated in battle inside a mere four years by the forces of the majority of the nation at that time, in alliance with and by using the Confederacy's own slave population, who in the multiple thousands volunteered to abandon the Confederacy and who in the multiple hundreds volunteered to fight against the Confederacy.
or, that's all merely hearsay and postwar hearsay of black men who marched with the rebel army.
I don't see that he was a former slave but his mother was, which would make him eligible to be one, too. Interesting story, that. Also, that of Randall Gibbons, who was also a 'black Confederate'. His great-grandfather was a free man of color - same as our Mr Buckner - but General Gibbons was white for all he knew...or would admit.