Best tanks of WWII

[Kirk's Raider's]

How about one Tiger vs 50 T- 34... watch the video... It took 67 hits from the Russians...

On July 8th, 1943, a Tiger tank commanded by Franz Staudegger took on fifty attacking T-34 tanks as the only armored vehicle on its side (though it did have infantry support), destroying twenty-seven enemy tanks and forcing the remainder to break off their attack and fall back. Staudegger's Tiger then itself ran out of armor-piercing ammunition and retreated behind the lines, but it had stopped the Soviet attack.

In the summer of 1941 General Guerdian declared that the T-34 was the best tank in the world with it's sloped armor giving very good protection, good cross country performance especially as it could travel through the Pipet Marsh's and it's powerful for the time 76mm gun.
By the time the Tiger was introduced it was at a severe disadvantage in terms of armor and fire power. The Soviet answer was the T-34/85 with it's 85mm gun on par with the German 88mm.
Unfortunately they were not available during the battle of Kursk.
Kirk's Raiders

 

[rittmeister]

In the summer of 1941 General Guerdian declared that the T-34 was the best tank in the world with it's sloped armor giving very good protection, good cross country performance especially as it could travel through the Pipet Marsh's and it's powerful for the time 76mm gun.
By the time the Tiger was introduced it was at a severe disadvantage in terms of armor and fire power. The Soviet answer was the T-34/85 with it's 85mm gun on par with the German 88mm.
Unfortunately they were not available during the battle of Kursk.
Kirk's Raiders

ffs, it's guderian, and those guns were not on par

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

ffs, it's guderian, and those guns were not on par

Per the Soviet tests at Kublinka the 85mm was more then adequate at armor penetration.
The Tiger Tank was certainly effective in a defensive role but even the mighty Konig or King Tiger suffered heavy losses at the battle Oldeglow in Poland. Guderian himself did declare that the T-34 was the best tank in the world at the time of it's introduction in June 1941. Yes the T-34 was eventually outclassed by the PzMIV Special and the Panther and Tiger Tanks that's why the Soviets upgraded to the T-34/85.
Leftyhunter

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

ffs, it's guderian, and those guns were not on par

When I Google Tank archives 85mm there is an article from the tests at Kublinka where an 85mm is shot at a captured Tiger .
Leftyhunter

 

[5fish]

WE have to have the best German Tank killing pilots @Leftyhunter

List of German World War II ground attack aces

The following list contains the German Stuka and other combat aircraft aces of World War II. The list is sorted by the number of combat missions flown. "Piloten Bunker 1939-1945". Stuka und Schlachtflieger Asse. http://www.pilotenbunker.de/Stuka/stuka.html. Retrieved 12 July 2007. Brütting...

military-history.fandom.com

The following list contains the German Stuka and other combat aircraft aces of World War II. The list is sorted by the number of combat missions flown.

 

[5fish]

The Greatest Armor Thinkers... Patton and Rommel are not on the list... @rittmeister not all German either...

The War List: Great Tank Commanders

We picked eight top tankers—from Monash to Wittmann to Greengold

www.historynet.com

 

[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

WE have to have the best German Tank killing pilots @Leftyhunter

List of German World War II ground attack aces

The following list contains the German Stuka and other combat aircraft aces of World War II. The list is sorted by the number of combat missions flown. "Piloten Bunker 1939-1945". Stuka und Schlachtflieger Asse. http://www.pilotenbunker.de/Stuka/stuka.html. Retrieved 12 July 2007. Brütting...

military-history.fandom.com

The following list contains the German Stuka and other combat aircraft aces of World War II. The list is sorted by the number of combat missions flown.

nope, that's not a question at all

 

[5fish]

German Tank crews fear this plane...

The Ilyushin Il-2 Sturmovik: The Soviet's Deadly Tank Killer

The Soviet Air Force’s Ilyushin Il-2 Sturmovik, or “Storm Bird,” took a heavy toll in German armor on the Eastern Front.

warfarehistorynetwork.com

The Sturmovik was both respected and loathed by German pilots, infantrymen, and tankers. The Luftwaffe took to calling it the “Flying Tank,” “Concrete Plane,” or even “Iron Gustav” because of its highly effective armor protection, while German tankers and infantrymen referred to it as the “Butcher” or even the “Black Death” because of the destruction left in the wake of an Il-2 attack. The robust plane proved that it could more than hold its own against the vaunted Luftwaffe, especially as Soviet tactics improved and pilots gained experience against German flyers who became younger and the veterans fewer as the bloody “Great Patriotic War” pushed ever westward

 

[rittmeister]

The Greatest Armor Thinkers... Patton and Rommel are not on the list... @rittmeister not all German either...

The War List: Great Tank Commanders

We picked eight top tankers—from Monash to Wittmann to Greengold

www.historynet.com

neither rommel nor patton ever commanded a tank - they commanded units
monash as a tank commander is a bad joke
that's not a list of tankers, that's a list of what they have losely connected to the word tank

how about otto carius (top scoring tanker who survived the war)?

 

[5fish]

how about otto carius (top scoring tanker who survived the war)?

I get the impression he like his Tiger tank...

 

[5fish]

Here more on the Russian tank killer... it was a tank...

The IL-2 Sturmovik Wrecked Nazi Tanks

Soviet ground attackers flew to the rescue — by the thousands

medium.com

Nonetheless, attack planes like the Sturmovik could still disrupt armored attacks, blast entrenched troops and artillery, and strafe columns of soft-skinned trucks and light armor. While some estimate between five and 10 Il-2s were lost for every Axis tank they knocked out — and aircraft are generally more expensive to build than tanks! — ground-attack planes proved their value against unarmored targets, which were in abundance.

But Soviet commanders didn’t let the initial setback prevent them from feeding even more Sturmoviks into the battle. Il-2 pilots in Kursk began flying in “Circles of Death” over the battlefield to cover each other’s tails from enemy fighters, one aircraft at a time peeling away to make ground attack runs before rejoining the circle.

Here an air battle few to none talk about...

The Battle of Kursk actually began with one of the largest air battles of World War II, when German fighters scrambled just in time to blunt an enormous preemptive air strike by Soviet fighters and bombers. The aerial melee involved 500 warplanes and resulted in a few dozen German losses in exchange for around one hundred Soviet aircraft.

This is where I think these planes hurt the Germans...

Nonetheless, such was the desperation of the air war over the Eastern Front then that the Il-2 was frequently called upon to serve as a fighter. While the Sturmovik had no way of keeping pace with German fighters, it proved deadly in taking down slower German bomber, observation and transport planes, resulting in several Il-2 aces.
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[5fish]

Here is this German Tanker... Wittmann... it helps when you hand pick your crews... @rittmeister

Captain Michael Wittmann – Led Germany’s most lethal tank attack of WWII – Captain Wittmann’s kill record includes 138 tanks, 132 antitank guns and a countless number of vehicles. He is most famous for an attack in June of 1944, when he devastated as many as 14 tanks, 2 antitank guns and 15 additional vehicles a 15 minute time frame.

Top 7 Facts About Michael Wittmann, the Biggest Panzer Ace in WWII

Between the myth and reality lies a figure of great importance in the history of armored warfare. Michael Wittmann, the most successful panzer ace of the

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He had a aimer name Woll for they were a team...

Woll received the Ritterkreuz as SS-Rottenfuhrer with 13th (heavy) Co., 1st SS-Pz Rgt., 1st SS-Pz. Div. “LSSAH”, Russian Front. He would finish the war with the rank of Oberscharfuhrer, which is equivalent to Sgt. 1st Class (or Tech Sgt. as it’s sometimes called) Woll was the only NCO tank gunner to receive the Knights Cross.

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[Leftyhunter]

German Tank crews fear this plane...

The Ilyushin Il-2 Sturmovik: The Soviet's Deadly Tank Killer

The Soviet Air Force’s Ilyushin Il-2 Sturmovik, or “Storm Bird,” took a heavy toll in German armor on the Eastern Front.

warfarehistorynetwork.com

The Sturmovik was both respected and loathed by German pilots, infantrymen, and tankers. The Luftwaffe took to calling it the “Flying Tank,” “Concrete Plane,” or even “Iron Gustav” because of its highly effective armor protection, while German tankers and infantrymen referred to it as the “Butcher” or even the “Black Death” because of the destruction left in the wake of an Il-2 attack. The robust plane proved that it could more than hold its own against the vaunted Luftwaffe, especially as Soviet tactics improved and pilots gained experience against German flyers who became younger and the veterans fewer as the bloody “Great Patriotic War” pushed ever westward

https://www.historynet.com/myth-of-...mination of the,against armor as many believe.
Aircraft weren't a significant threat to tanks until 1972 when US Army Helicopters armed with the then new TOW missile took out North Vietnamese tanks.
Aircraft could take out trucks and tanks require quite a bit of logistical support so airpower was an indirect threat to tanks.
Leftyhunter

 

[rittmeister]

https://www.historynet.com/myth-of-the-tankbuster.htm#:~:text=In a painting by Nicolas,at Falaise in August 1944.&text=A close examination of the,against armor as many believe.
Aircraft weren't a significant threat to tanks until 1972 when US Army Helicopters armed with the then new TOW missile took out North Vietnamese tanks.
Aircraft could take out trucks and tanks require quite a bit of logistical support so airpower was an indirect threat to tanks.
Leftyhunter

forcing enemy tankers into keeping their hatches down probably helped a lot

 

[Leftyhunter]

forcing enemy tankers into keeping their hatches down probably helped a lot

Maybe not since tankers have to do the same in active combat.
Leftyhunter

 

[5fish]

Maybe not since tankers have to do the same in active combat.
Leftyhunter

Here a Russian pilots... This guy sunk ships...

Akhtung, Akhtung! In the air, Nelson Stepanyan!

28 was born in March 1913, in Shusha, in the Nagorny Karabakh, Elizavetpol Province, in the family of an employee. He graduated from 7 classes, Civil Air Fleet Aviation School in 1935 year. He worked as an instructor pilot in the Civil Air Fleet. Since June 1941 has been serving in the Navy and...

en.topwar.ru

Soviet sources assert that Stepanyan flew no fewer than 239 combat sorties, sank 53 ships, thirteen of which he did alone, destroyed 80 tanks, 600 armored vehicles, and 27 aircraft. The cosmonaut Georgy Beregovoy flew the Ilyushin in 185 sorties, and was awarded the "Hero of the Soviet Union" in 1944.

 

[rittmeister]

Maybe not since tankers have to do the same in active combat.
Leftyhunter

so how do you fight enemy tanks with your hatch already down? you need to see them first

 

[5fish]

Here is an article about airplanes being fitted with tanks cannons... in WW2...

These 4 WWII planes were armed with literal tank cannons

With rapid advances of both tank and aircraft technology during WWII, it was almost inevitable: planes armed with tank cannons.

www.wearethemighty.com

The idea of using planes to destroy tanks is not a new one. Although the concept has been perfected with modern aircraft like the popular A-10 Warthog, tank-killing planes flew not long after the invention of both vehicles. In WWII, tank and plane technology advanced rapidly. As tanks became more survivable with thicker armor, planes began carrying heavier and heavier ordnance to kill them. Eventually, armies decided that the best way to kill a tank and other ground targets with a plane was with a tank cannon. Here are four of those planes. Note that planes armed with flak guns like the German BK 3,7 3.7cm gun are not included.

 

[5fish]

Aircraft weren't a significant threat to tanks until 1972

The best tank killer was the A-10 but I think drones will replace them in the future...

 

[5fish]

Here is an interesting article about why the Allies did not developed tank killing planes. It was not flashy as shooting down other planes. @O' Be Joyful , @rittmeister , @Leftyhunter , @Wehrkraftzersetzer if you have an interest in tanks...

Think It's Easy to Destroy Tanks With Airplanes? Think Again

A close examination of the historical record reveals that ground-attack aircraft in World War II were not as successful against armor as many believe.

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The effectiveness of anti-tank aircraft in World War II is taken for granted by most writers on the subject, offering a technophile orthodoxy that can be seamlessly woven together with accounts of later developments up to and including the Iraq wars. Luftwaffe legend Hans-Ulrich Rudel claimed to have destroyed 519 Soviet tanks, most of them while piloting a cannon-armed Junkers Ju-87G Panzerknäcker, or “tankbuster.” Aleksandr Yefimov, said to have destroyed 126 German tanks while flying the Ilyushin Il-2 Sturmovik, was twice made a Hero of the Soviet Union. Tales of their exploits helped to firmly establish a positive image of anti-tank aviation in histories of the conflict. But that image has little relation to the realities of close air support during the war.

That judgment is given additional weight by the attention the Germans gave to developing their own anti-tank aircraft. The Henschel Hs-129B-1/R2, a small, heavily armored single-seat twin with a 30mm gun, was introduced on the Eastern Front in late 1942. A handsome, strongly built airplane with unreliable French engines and the flying characteristics of a penguin, the Hs-129 was not popular with pilots. But at least two men, Rudolf-Heinz Ruffer and Hans-Hermann Steinkamp, claimed to have destroyed 70 or more Soviet tanks flying the type during the next two years.