Best tanks of WWII

[rittmeister]

the main purpose of Your TDs was defending when Your army attacked somebody had to deal with Tiger & Panther in the defense Your TD doctrine was defending nothing else, they weren't StuGs

stugs weren't supossed to agressively combat enemy tanks either: defend & run (repeat ad infinitum)

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

the main purpose of Your TDs was defending when Your army attacked somebody had to deal with Tiger & Panther in the defense Your TD doctrine was defending nothing else, they weren't StuGs

Actually American TDs were used for infantry support in both theatres.
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[rittmeister]

Actually American TDs were used for infantry support in both theatres.
Kirk's Raiders

defensivly: hide - shoot (maybe shoot twice) - run

try sth like this (obviously it's more than mad even the way it was done) with a tank destroyer or a stug - all you get is a dead crew. you probably don't want to try that with a sherman either.

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

defensivly: hide - shoot (maybe shoot twice) - run

try sth like this (obviously it's more than mad even the way it was done) with a tank destroyer or a stug - all you get is a dead crew. you probably don't want to try that with a sherman either.

As the above video made clear and what I stated earlier the Sherman did what is was supposed to do. At the time of it's first battle it was used successfully by the British Army at El Alamain and was equal or better then anything the Germans had up to that time. Also the video mentioned that in Italy the Sherman with a 75mm gun could still kill Panthers and Tiger's.
Obviously the Tiger and Panther which were newer tanks could all things being equal dominate the Sherman. The video did point out a battle I previously mentioned in France where Sherman's killed lots of Panthers for relatively few losses.
The video mentioned the Firefly which had its limitations as far as being to cramped but it killed Panthers and Tiger's.
The video mentioned that who ever gets of the first shot wins four out of five times. So if a TD gets two or so aimed shots first and runs away that's not a bad outcome.
The Stug was a stop gap measure since the German Panzers were overwhelmed by mid to late 1943.
They did a good job but they could only do so much against a superior enemy.
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[Kirk's Raider's]

A very good video from Red Effect is " Panther vs Sherman a WWII Comparison".
In actual combat more often then not the better trained allied tank crews could beat the Panther.
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[O' Be Joyful]

it's easy to stack tomatoes since they are cubical

The process is simple. You have to create a square plastic box for it to grow in. Make sure the box is smaller than final size of the tomato. The reason is that once the tomato feels resistance against the sides of the box, it is forced to take the path of least resistance. This results in the tomato growing into the corners of the box, hopefully filling it completely.

Making the box

Find any clear plastic that is thick enough to withstand the pressure of the growing tomato, yet flexible enough to bend at 90 degrees.

Simply draw 4 squares the exact same size horizontally
Now draw 2 boxes the same size on each side vertically.
Next, cut a slit in one of the end boxes big enough to allow the stem of the plant to easily slip through.
Now fold the box at the lines and tape it leaving the end with the slit open.

https://www.growyourheirlooms.com/how-to-grow-a-square-tomato/

But, I prefer mine to be round.

 

[5fish]

I found the best world war two tank: The German Ball Tank .... @rittmeister & @Wehrkraftzersetzer , you Germans are clever... it was used by the Japanese...

SNIP>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugelpanzer

The Kugelpanzer is a one-man tank built by Germany during World War II, exported to Japan and used by the Kwantung Army. It was captured by the Soviets in Manchuria and is on display in the Kubinka Tank Museum. There is no record of it ever having been used in combat.






Here is a link with much more detail and history of the Ball Tank.... with a video...

LINK: https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-german-prototypes/kugelpanzer/

Snip...

The vehicle, manufactured by the famous Krupp company, is believed to be a one man scouting vehicle

Over the years there has been much conjecture about what the Kugelpanzer was designed for. The most common beliefs are that it meant to be a cable layer, artillery spotter, or scout vehicle. No one even knows whether it’s a pre/early war design, or a late war design.
It is this author’s theory, however, that it is a pre-war design for an infantry support weapon, that could traverse a no-man’s land kind of environment. The “Tumble-weed tank” design of the same era, was also of the same purpose. An armored vehicle, not as heavy or cumbersome as a tank, that would move at the same speed as the infantry while giving fire support. In the Kugelpanzer’s case, this fire support would’ve been given by a single machine gun. Its armor would’ve stood against small arms fire, but anything larger that an anti-tank rifle would go straight through. If the vehicle was used by the Japanese, it is possible that, after the outbreak of WWII, with its fast moving battlefields, the Germans realized the futility of the design and shipped it to the Japanese.
However, there are no sources to back any of these speculations. Until documents about the vehicle will emerge from the Russian archives, little else can be done to ascertain the Kugelpanzer’s origin and purpose.

 

[rittmeister]

I found the best world war two tank: The German Ball Tank .... @rittmeister & @Wehrkraftzersetzer , you Germans are clever... it was used by the Japanese...

SNIP>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugelpanzer

The Kugelpanzer is a one-man tank built by Germany during World War II, exported to Japan and used by the Kwantung Army. It was captured by the Soviets in Manchuria and is on display in the Kubinka Tank Museum. There is no record of it ever having been used in combat.

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Here is a link with much more detail and history of the Ball Tank.... with a video...

LINK: https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-german-prototypes/kugelpanzer/

Snip...

The vehicle, manufactured by the famous Krupp company, is believed to be a one man scouting vehicle

Over the years there has been much conjecture about what the Kugelpanzer was designed for. The most common beliefs are that it meant to be a cable layer, artillery spotter, or scout vehicle. No one even knows whether it’s a pre/early war design, or a late war design.
It is this author’s theory, however, that it is a pre-war design for an infantry support weapon, that could traverse a no-man’s land kind of environment. The “Tumble-weed tank” design of the same era, was also of the same purpose. An armored vehicle, not as heavy or cumbersome as a tank, that would move at the same speed as the infantry while giving fire support. In the Kugelpanzer’s case, this fire support would’ve been given by a single machine gun. Its armor would’ve stood against small arms fire, but anything larger that an anti-tank rifle would go straight through. If the vehicle was used by the Japanese, it is possible that, after the outbreak of WWII, with its fast moving battlefields, the Germans realized the futility of the design and shipped it to the Japanese.
However, there are no sources to back any of these speculations. Until documents about the vehicle will emerge from the Russian archives, little else can be done to ascertain the Kugelpanzer’s origin and purpose.

Armament

Belived to be 1 7.62 mm machine gun

seriously?

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

defensivly: hide - shoot (maybe shoot twice) - run

try sth like this (obviously it's more than mad even the way it was done) with a tank destroyer or a stug - all you get is a dead crew. you probably don't want to try that with a sherman either.

Sherman's were successful as Infantry support. Of course they were vunereable to anti tank weapon's such has the Panzerfaust and Panzershreck. However despite those weapons the Sherman tank is credited with saving thousands of allied infantry men.
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[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

seriously?

7.62 * 25 Tokarev?

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

I found the best world war two tank: The German Ball Tank .... @rittmeister & @Wehrkraftzersetzer , you Germans are clever... it was used by the Japanese...

SNIP>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugelpanzer

The Kugelpanzer is a one-man tank built by Germany during World War II, exported to Japan and used by the Kwantung Army. It was captured by the Soviets in Manchuria and is on display in the Kubinka Tank Museum. There is no record of it ever having been used in combat.

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Here is a link with much more detail and history of the Ball Tank.... with a video...

LINK: https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-german-prototypes/kugelpanzer/

Snip...

The vehicle, manufactured by the famous Krupp company, is believed to be a one man scouting vehicle

Over the years there has been much conjecture about what the Kugelpanzer was designed for. The most common beliefs are that it meant to be a cable layer, artillery spotter, or scout vehicle. No one even knows whether it’s a pre/early war design, or a late war design.
It is this author’s theory, however, that it is a pre-war design for an infantry support weapon, that could traverse a no-man’s land kind of environment. The “Tumble-weed tank” design of the same era, was also of the same purpose. An armored vehicle, not as heavy or cumbersome as a tank, that would move at the same speed as the infantry while giving fire support. In the Kugelpanzer’s case, this fire support would’ve been given by a single machine gun. Its armor would’ve stood against small arms fire, but anything larger that an anti-tank rifle would go straight through. If the vehicle was used by the Japanese, it is possible that, after the outbreak of WWII, with its fast moving battlefields, the Germans realized the futility of the design and shipped it to the Japanese.
However, there are no sources to back any of these speculations. Until documents about the vehicle will emerge from the Russian archives, little else can be done to ascertain the Kugelpanzer’s origin and purpose.

Interesting but a tank never used in combat can not be the best tank in WWII.
Since the Kuglepanzer doesn't have a cannon or turret it's not even a tank. At best it's an armoured fighting vehicle.
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[Wehrkraftzersetzer]

Interesting but a tank never used in combat can not be the best tank in WWII.
Since the Kuglepanzer doesn't have a cannon or turret it's not even a tank. At best it's an armoured fighting vehicle.
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armoured coffin?

 

[rittmeister]

Interesting but a tank never used in combat can not be the best tank in WWII.
Since the Kuglepanzer doesn't have a cannon or turret it's not even a tank. At best it's an armoured fighting vehicle.
Kirk's Raiders

ever tried the concept of sarcasm?

 

[5fish]

can not be the best tank in WWII.

It actually reminded me of those Clear Rolling Balls in the Jurassic Park movie...

 

[rittmeister]

It actually reminded me of those Clear Rolling Balls in the Jurassic Park movie...

are you saying spielberg stole the blueprints?

 

[O' Be Joyful]

ever tried the concept of sarcasm?

That is a concept that I always embrace.

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

That is a concept that I always embrace.

Excuse me for trying to be on topic.
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[5fish]

How about one Tiger vs 50 T- 34... watch the video... It took 67 hits from the Russians...

On July 8th, 1943, a Tiger tank commanded by Franz Staudegger took on fifty attacking T-34 tanks as the only armored vehicle on its side (though it did have infantry support), destroying twenty-seven enemy tanks and forcing the remainder to break off their attack and fall back. Staudegger's Tiger then itself ran out of armor-piercing ammunition and retreated behind the lines, but it had stopped the Soviet attack.

 

[Jim Klag]

The best individual tanks were German. But there is quality in quantity. A zillion Shermans are better than a few Tigers and Panthers. Simple mathematics.

 

[Kirk's Raider's]

The best individual tanks were German. But there is quality in quantity. A zillion Shermans are better than a few Tigers and Panthers. Simple mathematics.

Red Effect has a good video that argues the Soviet JS-2 was superior to the Tiger . The JS-2 was much more reliable and had a more accurate and powerful 122mm gun compared to the Tiger. The JS-2 was also well armoured. It didn't encounter Tigers all that often but despite a much lower rate of fire it could and did destroy Tiger and King Tiger Tanks.
Unlike the Tigers and Panthers the JS-2 evolved into the JS-3. The Panthers and Tiger's were dead end.
The Sherman wasn't as well armoured as the Panthers and Tigers but was more reliable and had better crew survivability with wet ammunition storage.
The British varient the Firefly could and did kill Tigers and Panthers.
The Sherman was used by the Israelis up to 1980 and the IS-50 and IS-51 varient killed American M-48s and Soviet T-54,T-55 and T-62 tanks plus Syrian PzwIV tanks.
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