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Good video from Red Effect on YouTube " Tiger II vs IS-II. In theory the Tiger II was the better tank with a quicker rate of fire but in actual combat the IS-Ii did very well. Also the Soviets made something like ten times as many IS-II has Tiger IIs.
The Germans made great tanks such has the Panther and Tiger but the Soviets could easily out produce them and had more reliable tanks.
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Rommel's Kampfstaffel or Kasta or Combat Echelon .... formed form the Beutepanzer , Rommel had a battlelion.

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Beutepanzer (German, lit. Captured Tank)[1] is the German designation for a captured armored fighting vehicle. The Germans used Beutepanzers to gain insight into enemy technology and to augment its own armored forces.

Beutepanzers were usually repainted to sport distinctive national emblems and unit insignia in order to reduce friendly fire from other Axis forces.

Rommel used captured armor to make a little badass Kasta...
Rommel is kind of the Robert E. Lee of WW2.
Rommel had good tank crews but quantity beats quality plus getting fuel was tough. It was a challenge especially once the US entered the war to get supplies shipped over from Italy. The Germans used Junker 52 aircraft has well but with overwhelming allied superiority by late 1942 that also became problematic.
Also planes can carry only so much fuel. Plus Panzers were need desperately on the Eastern Front.
In North Africa the best Panzer was the Panzer MkIIII a good tank but not much better then the Sherman if I recall correctly.
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OMG I think the Flame thrower tanks have been over looked by you guys....

final say?
I do not know but flame thrower tanks...

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What does he have to say about Flame thrower tanks ... from wiki... Germans

A flame tank is a type of tank equipped with a flamethrower, most commonly used to supplement combined arms attacks against fortifications, confined spaces, or other obstacles. The type only reached significant use in the Second World War, during which the United States, Soviet Union, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United Kingdom (including members of the British Commonwealth) all produced flamethrower-equipped tanks.

A number of production methods were used. The flamethrowers used were either modified versions of existing infantry flame weapons (Flammpanzer I and II) or specially designed (Flammpanzer III). They were mounted externally (Flammpanzer II), replaced existing machine gun mounts, or replaced the tank's main armament (Flammpanzer III). Fuel for the flame weapon was either carried inside the tank, in armoured external storage, or in some cases in a special trailer behind the tank (Churchill Crocodile).


The list:

German Army[edit]
Italian Royal Army (Regio Esercito)[edit]
Imperial Japanese Army[edit]
World War II Allied[edit]
Light Tank M3 (General Stuart)[edit]

An M3 Stuart, fitted with a flamethrower, attacks a Japanese bunker during the Bougainville Campaign (April 1944)

Medium Tank M4 (General Sherman)[edit]

An M4A3R3 USMC tank during the Battle of Iwo Jima (March 1945)

  • M4A3R3 "Mark 1": Sherman tank used during the Battle of Iwo Jima (1945) U.S.Army CWS-POA-H1 and H2
  • M4 "Crocodile": four M4 tanks converted by British for US 2nd Armored Division in NW Europe with the same armored fuel trailer as used on Churchill but the fuel line went over the hull.
  • Sherman Badger: Canada's replacement of its Ram Badger, the Sherman Badger was a turretless M4A2 HVSS Sherman with Wasp IIC flamethrower in place of hull machine gun, developed sometime from 1945 to 1949. The 150 gallons at 250 psi was effective to 125 yards, with elevation of +30 to −10 degrees and traverse of 30 degrees left and 23 degrees right. This inspired the US T68.[8]
  • Sherman Adder: A conversion kit to equip Sherman tanks, used in India on Sherman III and Sherman V
Tank, Infantry, Mk IV "Churchill"[edit]

Churchill Crocodile flame tank

  • Churchill Oke: Churchill Mk II with fixed "Ronson" flamethrower. Three were part of the 1942 Raid on Dieppe but were put out of action before the equipment was used.
  • Churchill Crocodile: Churchill Mk VII equipped with a kit including an armored fuel trailer that used compressed nitrogen for pressure. The flamethrower replaced the hull machine gun leaving the main armament unaffected. Eight hundred conversion kits were produced. Operating under the organization of the 79th Armoured Division, as with other specialised vehicles, it was deployed following the June 6th 1944 Normandy landings in north-west Europe and in the Italian campaign. It could deliver eighty 1-second bursts out to 120 yards (110 m) before refuelling.
Tank, Infantry, Mk II, Matilda II[edit]
  • Matilda Frog (25): 25 Matilda II tanks converted to flame tanks by the Australians in late 1944.
  • Matilda Murray: Australian improvement over the Frog, produced in 1945.
Medium Tank T-34[edit]
  • ОТ-34 (OT-34-76): created from various models of the T-34-76, had an internally mounted flame-thrower ATO-41 (ATO-42 later) replacing the hull machine gun.
  • OT-34-85: created from the T-34-85, had an internally mounted flamethrower ATO-42 replacing the hull machine gun.
Heavy Breakthrough Tank KV (Kliment Voroshilov)[edit]
  • KV-8: KV-1 fitted with the ATO-41 flame-thrower in the turret, beside a machine gun. In order to accommodate the new weapon, the 76.2mm gun was replaced with a smaller 45 mm Gun M1932, though it was disguised to look like the standard 76 mm.
Light Tank T-26[edit]
  • KhT-26 (OT-26): developed in 1933. Based on the twin-turreted T-26 mod. 1931 tank but using a single turret armed with a flamethrower, the second turret was removed.
  • KhT-130 (OT-130): Flamethrower variant of model 1933, using a larger 45 mm gun turret (a gun was replaced with a flamethrower).
  • KhT-133 (OT-133): Flamethrower variant of model 1939 (a gun was replaced with a flamethrower).
  • KhT-134 (OT-134): Flamethrower variant of model 1939, with 45 mm gun.
Other[edit]
  • Ram Badger: Canadian Ram cruiser tank adapted with flamethrower.
  • LVT(A)-4 Ronson: (1944) With full tracks, some armor, and a turret, arguably the Landing Vehicle Tracked was a swimming light tank; this was a fire support version with M8 Howitzer Motor Carriage turret but the 75 mm howitzer replaced with the Canadian Ronson flamethrower.
    • LVT-4(F) Sea Serpent: British version armed with flamethrowers, but unarmored.
  • Wasp: not strictly a flame tank, the Universal Carrier (a small lightly armoured tracked personnel/equipment carrier) fitted with the Wasp flamethrower, a continued development of the Ronson by the Petroleum Warfare Department.[9]
 

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OMG I think the Flame thrower tanks have been over looked by you guys....



I do not know but flame thrower tanks...



What does he have to say about Flame thrower tanks ... from wiki... Germans

A flame tank is a type of tank equipped with a flamethrower, most commonly used to supplement combined arms attacks against fortifications, confined spaces, or other obstacles. The type only reached significant use in the Second World War, during which the United States, Soviet Union, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United Kingdom (including members of the British Commonwealth) all produced flamethrower-equipped tanks.

A number of production methods were used. The flamethrowers used were either modified versions of existing infantry flame weapons (Flammpanzer I and II) or specially designed (Flammpanzer III). They were mounted externally (Flammpanzer II), replaced existing machine gun mounts, or replaced the tank's main armament (Flammpanzer III). Fuel for the flame weapon was either carried inside the tank, in armoured external storage, or in some cases in a special trailer behind the tank (Churchill Crocodile).


The list:

German Army[edit]
Italian Royal Army (Regio Esercito)[edit]
Imperial Japanese Army[edit]
World War II Allied[edit]
Light Tank M3 (General Stuart)[edit]

An M3 Stuart, fitted with a flamethrower, attacks a Japanese bunker during the Bougainville Campaign (April 1944)

Medium Tank M4 (General Sherman)[edit]

An M4A3R3 USMC tank during the Battle of Iwo Jima (March 1945)

  • M4A3R3 "Mark 1": Sherman tank used during the Battle of Iwo Jima (1945) U.S.Army CWS-POA-H1 and H2
  • M4 "Crocodile": four M4 tanks converted by British for US 2nd Armored Division in NW Europe with the same armored fuel trailer as used on Churchill but the fuel line went over the hull.
  • Sherman Badger: Canada's replacement of its Ram Badger, the Sherman Badger was a turretless M4A2 HVSS Sherman with Wasp IIC flamethrower in place of hull machine gun, developed sometime from 1945 to 1949. The 150 gallons at 250 psi was effective to 125 yards, with elevation of +30 to −10 degrees and traverse of 30 degrees left and 23 degrees right. This inspired the US T68.[8]
  • Sherman Adder: A conversion kit to equip Sherman tanks, used in India on Sherman III and Sherman V
Tank, Infantry, Mk IV "Churchill"[edit]

Churchill Crocodile flame tank

  • Churchill Oke: Churchill Mk II with fixed "Ronson" flamethrower. Three were part of the 1942 Raid on Dieppe but were put out of action before the equipment was used.
  • Churchill Crocodile: Churchill Mk VII equipped with a kit including an armored fuel trailer that used compressed nitrogen for pressure. The flamethrower replaced the hull machine gun leaving the main armament unaffected. Eight hundred conversion kits were produced. Operating under the organization of the 79th Armoured Division, as with other specialised vehicles, it was deployed following the June 6th 1944 Normandy landings in north-west Europe and in the Italian campaign. It could deliver eighty 1-second bursts out to 120 yards (110 m) before refuelling.
Tank, Infantry, Mk II, Matilda II[edit]
  • Matilda Frog (25): 25 Matilda II tanks converted to flame tanks by the Australians in late 1944.
  • Matilda Murray: Australian improvement over the Frog, produced in 1945.
Medium Tank T-34[edit]
  • ОТ-34 (OT-34-76): created from various models of the T-34-76, had an internally mounted flame-thrower ATO-41 (ATO-42 later) replacing the hull machine gun.
  • OT-34-85: created from the T-34-85, had an internally mounted flamethrower ATO-42 replacing the hull machine gun.
Heavy Breakthrough Tank KV (Kliment Voroshilov)[edit]
  • KV-8: KV-1 fitted with the ATO-41 flame-thrower in the turret, beside a machine gun. In order to accommodate the new weapon, the 76.2mm gun was replaced with a smaller 45 mm Gun M1932, though it was disguised to look like the standard 76 mm.
Light Tank T-26[edit]
  • KhT-26 (OT-26): developed in 1933. Based on the twin-turreted T-26 mod. 1931 tank but using a single turret armed with a flamethrower, the second turret was removed.
  • KhT-130 (OT-130): Flamethrower variant of model 1933, using a larger 45 mm gun turret (a gun was replaced with a flamethrower).
  • KhT-133 (OT-133): Flamethrower variant of model 1939 (a gun was replaced with a flamethrower).
  • KhT-134 (OT-134): Flamethrower variant of model 1939, with 45 mm gun.
Other[edit]
  • Ram Badger: Canadian Ram cruiser tank adapted with flamethrower.
  • LVT(A)-4 Ronson: (1944) With full tracks, some armor, and a turret, arguably the Landing Vehicle Tracked was a swimming light tank; this was a fire support version with M8 Howitzer Motor Carriage turret but the 75 mm howitzer replaced with the Canadian Ronson flamethrower.
    • LVT-4(F) Sea Serpent: British version armed with flamethrowers, but unarmored.
  • Wasp: not strictly a flame tank, the Universal Carrier (a small lightly armoured tracked personnel/equipment carrier) fitted with the Wasp flamethrower, a continued development of the Ronson by the Petroleum Warfare Department.[9]
I didn't know they were a secret. They were well known. Obviously it was confined to a fairly small amount of tanks.
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Warhistoryonline.com has a good article" Was the Panther the best tank of WWII"?
Maybe not. The Panther had a lot of reliability issues and very poor miles to the gallon.
On the other hand it had a great gun and excellent frontal armor.
The Panthers 75mm gun could only fire specialty ammunition making logistics more difficult.
The Panther was good enough that Soviet tank crews liked as long as they could run it.
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I do not know this maybe the best tank.... first mobile artillery piece Assault artillery...


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The Sturmgeschütz III (StuG III) assault gun was Germany's most-produced fully tracked armoured fighting vehicle during World War II, and second-most produced German armored combat vehicle of any type after the Sd.Kfz. 251 half-track. It was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III tank, replacing the turret with an armored, fixed superstructure mounting a more powerful gun. Initially intended as a mobile assault gun for direct-fire support for infantry, the StuG III was continually modified, and much like the later Jagdpanzer, was employed as a tank destroyer.

The Sturmgeschütz originated from German experiences in World War I, when it was discovered that, during the offensives on the Western Front, the infantry lacked the means to effectively engage fortifications. The artillery of the time was heavy and not mobile enough to keep up with the advancing infantry to destroy bunkers, pillboxes, and other minor fortifications with direct fire. Although the problem was well known in the German army, it was General Erich von Manstein who is considered the father of the Sturmartillerie (assault artillery). The initial proposal was from von Manstein and submitted to General Ludwig Beck in 1935, suggesting that Sturmartillerie units should be used in a direct-fire support role for infantry divisions. On 15 June 1936, Daimler-Benz AG received an order to develop an armoured infantry support vehicle capable of mounting a 7.5 cm (2.95 in) calibre artillery piece. The gun mount's fixed, fully integrated casemate superstructure was to allow a limited traverse of a minimum of 25° and provide overhead protection for the crew.[4] The height of the vehicle was not to exceed that of the average soldier.


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The Sturmgeschütz III-series of vehicles proved very successful and served on all fronts, from Russia to North Africa and Western Europe to Italy, as assault guns and tank destroyers. Because of their low silhouette, StuG IIIs were easy to camouflage and be hidden and were difficult targets to destroy. As of 10 April 1945, there were 1,053 StuG IIIs and 277 StuH 42s in German service. The StuG assault guns were cost-effective compared to the heavier German tanks such as the Tiger I and the Panther, although as anti-tank guns they were best used defensively as the lack of a traversable turret and its generally-thin armour was a severe disadvantage in the attack role. As the situation for the German military deteriorated further later in the war, more StuGs were built than tanks, particularly due to its ease of production.

In 1943 and 1944, the Finnish Army received 59 StuG III Ausf. Gs from Germany and used them against the Soviet Union. Thirty of the vehicles were received in 1943 and a further twenty-nine obtained in 1944. The first batch from 1943 destroyed at least eighty-seven enemy tanks for a loss of only eight StuGs (some of which were destroyed by their crews to prevent enemy capture).[7] The later batch from 1944 saw no real action. After the war, the StuGs were the main combat vehicles of the Finnish Army up until the early 1960s when they were phased out. These StuGs gained the nickname "Sturmi" in the Finnish military, which can be found in some plastic scale-model kits.
 

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stug III is not a tank. a tank (other than ww I) needs a 360° rotating turret and while stugs were delivered to panzer forces later in the war they were originally part of the artillery branch (hence the name).
 

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I do not know this maybe the best tank.... first mobile artillery piece Assault artillery...


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The Sturmgeschütz III (StuG III) assault gun was Germany's most-produced fully tracked armoured fighting vehicle during World War II, and second-most produced German armored combat vehicle of any type after the Sd.Kfz. 251 half-track. It was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III tank, replacing the turret with an armored, fixed superstructure mounting a more powerful gun. Initially intended as a mobile assault gun for direct-fire support for infantry, the StuG III was continually modified, and much like the later Jagdpanzer, was employed as a tank destroyer.

The Sturmgeschütz originated from German experiences in World War I, when it was discovered that, during the offensives on the Western Front, the infantry lacked the means to effectively engage fortifications. The artillery of the time was heavy and not mobile enough to keep up with the advancing infantry to destroy bunkers, pillboxes, and other minor fortifications with direct fire. Although the problem was well known in the German army, it was General Erich von Manstein who is considered the father of the Sturmartillerie (assault artillery). The initial proposal was from von Manstein and submitted to General Ludwig Beck in 1935, suggesting that Sturmartillerie units should be used in a direct-fire support role for infantry divisions. On 15 June 1936, Daimler-Benz AG received an order to develop an armoured infantry support vehicle capable of mounting a 7.5 cm (2.95 in) calibre artillery piece. The gun mount's fixed, fully integrated casemate superstructure was to allow a limited traverse of a minimum of 25° and provide overhead protection for the crew.[4] The height of the vehicle was not to exceed that of the average soldier.


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The Sturmgeschütz III-series of vehicles proved very successful and served on all fronts, from Russia to North Africa and Western Europe to Italy, as assault guns and tank destroyers. Because of their low silhouette, StuG IIIs were easy to camouflage and be hidden and were difficult targets to destroy. As of 10 April 1945, there were 1,053 StuG IIIs and 277 StuH 42s in German service. The StuG assault guns were cost-effective compared to the heavier German tanks such as the Tiger I and the Panther, although as anti-tank guns they were best used defensively as the lack of a traversable turret and its generally-thin armour was a severe disadvantage in the attack role. As the situation for the German military deteriorated further later in the war, more StuGs were built than tanks, particularly due to its ease of production.

In 1943 and 1944, the Finnish Army received 59 StuG III Ausf. Gs from Germany and used them against the Soviet Union. Thirty of the vehicles were received in 1943 and a further twenty-nine obtained in 1944. The first batch from 1943 destroyed at least eighty-seven enemy tanks for a loss of only eight StuGs (some of which were destroyed by their crews to prevent enemy capture).[7] The later batch from 1944 saw no real action. After the war, the StuGs were the main combat vehicles of the Finnish Army up until the early 1960s when they were phased out. These StuGs gained the nickname "Sturmi" in the Finnish military, which can be found in some plastic scale-model kits.
Actually the Strug is a classic Tank Destroyer. Hopefully one of the Mods can move your post to the Tank Destroyer thread . A Tank Destroyer is defined in the first few posts in the Tank Destroyer thread.
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stug III is not a tank. a tank (other than ww I) needs a 360° rotating turret and while stugs were delivered to panzer forces later in the war they were originally part of the artillery branch (hence the name).
You are saying is a self porpellied tanks are not tanks... I want to note I can not read German...
 

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Actually the Strug is a classic Tank Destroyer. Hopefully one of the Mods can move your post to the Tank Destroyer thread . A Tank Destroyer is defined in the first few posts in the Tank Destroyer thread.
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it is not - it was created as a short barelled infantry assault gun on tracks. it later was used as practically everything needed. a certain michael wittmann blew up enemy tanks with a stummel-stug (sth he was not supossed to do).

the later stug IIIs had a powerfull antitank gun but the name came from the early ones.

please do not open yet another thread for infantry assault guns (tracked). if you want the stug III in the tank destroyer thread make a pertinent post relating to stugs equipped with the 7.5 cm kwk 40. thanks.
 
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You are saying is a self porpellied tanks are not tanks... I want to note I can not read German...
The StugIII was originally designed as a self propelled artillery but it saw a lot of use as a Tank Destroyer. Tanks have turets and are designed to either lead the infantry and destroy enemy fortifications and take out enemy infantry and AFVs.
A self propelled artillery piece is always behind the infantry and gives fire support.
A Tank Destroyer tries to keep it's distance and shoot and Scot. Of course in actual combat thing change and there are exceptions to the rule as when a US Greyhound Tank Destroyer raced to the rear of a King Tiger and shot through its rear killing it.
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it is not - it was created as a short barelled infantry assault gun on tracks. it later was used as practically everything needed. a certain michael wittmann blew up enemy tanks with a stummel-stug (sth he was not supossed to do).

the later stug IIIs had a powerfull antitank gun but the name came from the early ones.

please do not open yet another thread for infantry assault guns (tracked). if you want the stug III in the tank destroyer thread make a pertinent post relating to stugs equipped with the 7.5 cm kwk 40. thanks.
I was only thinking if transferring the post to the Tank Destroyer thread nothing more.
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The StugIII was originally designed as a self propelled artillery but it saw a lot of use as a Tank Destroyer. Tanks have turets and are designed to either lead the infantry and destroy enemy fortifications and take out enemy infantry and AFVs.
A self propelled artillery piece is always behind the infantry and gives fire support.
A Tank Destroyer tries to keep it's distance and shoot and Scot. Of course in actual combat thing change and there are exceptions to the rule as when a US Greyhound Tank Destroyer raced to the rear of a King Tiger and shot through its rear killing it.
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not a stug, they were supossed to be bunker busters and obliterate mg emplacements - you can't really do that from the rear, can you? sturmgeschütz means assault gun not fire support howitzer. these were point blank/open sites guns, armoured and tracked.

did they evolve into some sort of tank destroyers? sure, but that's not what they were intented to.

if you need a comparisson how about infantry tanks (they were too fast for that, though)
 

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I was only thinking if transferring the post to the Tank Destroyer thread nothing more.
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not gonna happen - i could consolidate it into armoured fighting vehicles of world war II, though spritzclown
 

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How did you all miss this one... darn Germans...

LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus

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Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus ("Mouse") was a German World War II super-heavy tank completed in late 1944. It is the heaviest fully enclosed armoured fighting vehicle ever built. Five were ordered, but only two hulls and one turret were completed, the turret being attached, before the testing grounds were captured by advancing Soviet military forces.
These two prototypes underwent trials in late 1944. The complete vehicle was 10.2 metres (33 ft 6 in) long, 3.71 metres (12 ft 2 in) wide and 3.63 metres (11.9 ft) high. Weighing 188 metric tons, the Maus's main armament was the Krupp-designed 128 mm KwK 44 L/55 gun, based on the 12.8 cm Pak 44 anti-tank field artillery piece also used in the casemate-type Jagdtiger tank destroyer, with a coaxial 75 mm KwK 44 L/36.5 gun. The 128 mm gun was powerful enough to destroy all Allied armoured fighting vehicles then in service, some at ranges exceeding 3,500 metres (2.2 mi).
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The "contact-shoe" and "connector-link" track design of the Maus' suspension system

Video...

 
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How did you all miss this one... darn Germans...

LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus

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Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus ("Mouse") was a German World War II super-heavy tank completed in late 1944. It is the heaviest fully enclosed armoured fighting vehicle ever built. Five were ordered, but only two hulls and one turret were completed, the turret being attached, before the testing grounds were captured by advancing Soviet military forces.
These two prototypes underwent trials in late 1944. The complete vehicle was 10.2 metres (33 ft 6 in) long, 3.71 metres (12 ft 2 in) wide and 3.63 metres (11.9 ft) high. Weighing 188 metric tons, the Maus's main armament was the Krupp-designed 128 mm KwK 44 L/55 gun, based on the 12.8 cm Pak 44 anti-tank field artillery piece also used in the casemate-type Jagdtiger tank destroyer, with a coaxial 75 mm KwK 44 L/36.5 gun. The 128 mm gun was powerful enough to destroy all Allied armoured fighting vehicles then in service, some at ranges exceeding 3,500 metres (2.2 mi).
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The "contact-shoe" and "connector-link" track design of the Maus' suspension system
should never have started that nonsense
 

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How did you all miss this one... darn Germans...

LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus

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Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus ("Mouse") was a German World War II super-heavy tank completed in late 1944. It is the heaviest fully enclosed armoured fighting vehicle ever built. Five were ordered, but only two hulls and one turret were completed, the turret being attached, before the testing grounds were captured by advancing Soviet military forces.
These two prototypes underwent trials in late 1944. The complete vehicle was 10.2 metres (33 ft 6 in) long, 3.71 metres (12 ft 2 in) wide and 3.63 metres (11.9 ft) high. Weighing 188 metric tons, the Maus's main armament was the Krupp-designed 128 mm KwK 44 L/55 gun, based on the 12.8 cm Pak 44 anti-tank field artillery piece also used in the casemate-type Jagdtiger tank destroyer, with a coaxial 75 mm KwK 44 L/36.5 gun. The 128 mm gun was powerful enough to destroy all Allied armoured fighting vehicles then in service, some at ranges exceeding 3,500 metres (2.2 mi).
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The "contact-shoe" and "connector-link" track design of the Maus' suspension system
Maybe because by definition a prototype is not a tank. It didn't see combat. It was far to heavy to cross a bridge it would of had to be ferried accross a river on a heavy duty boat.
The Maus would of consumed huge amounts of fuel that after the fall if Romania simply didn't exist.
It was a dumb idea that was to little little and far to late.
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Maybe because by definition a prototype is not a tank. It didn't see combat. It was far to heavy to cross a bridge it would of had to be ferried accross a river on a heavy duty boat.
The Maus would of consumed huge amounts of fuel that after the fall if Romania simply didn't exist.
It was a dumb idea that was to little little and far to late.
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if it was a dumb idea (it certainly was) it's more like too many too early
 

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if it was a dumb idea (it certainly was) it's more like too many too early
Well it came by out very late in the war and supposedly there were only three prototypes so not to early but to late.
If the Germans would of by 1942 just concentrated on making a reliable version of the Panther vs splitting their limited industrial resources on Tigers and Panthers they might of gotten somewhere. Of course they would of still lost the war but concentrating on one tank is more efficient.
One poster on another forum said Gurdeian just wanted to concentrate on Panzer MkIV vs going off into so many types of Panzers. I don't know how true that is.
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