Battles in History...

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And don't forget Salamis. Afterv Xerxes walked over the Spartans at Thermopylae the Athenian navy routed the Persians at Salamis. Talk about changing the outcome of the war!
And the battle least known of the big four: Marathon, Thermnopylae, Salamis, Platea, is of course Platea.

Marathon was ten years before Xerxes' invasion. A lot changed in Athens in those four years.
 

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I have three old river battles between the Vietnamese and the Chinese between 900AD and 1250AD... The battles were on the same Bach Dang river in Vietnam and each time it was the Chinese trying to invade the Vietnamese. You can say the Chinese did not learn from history in these battles... here is a few hints do not sail into the river at high tides for low tides are deadly... The Pole and Tide...

The first river battle 938AD free Vietnam from Chinese yoke... links to the river battle of 938



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At the Battle of Bach Dang River in 938 the Vietnamese forces, led by Ngo Quyen, defeated the invading forces of the Southern Han state of China and put an end to centuries of Chinese imperial domination in Vietnam. It took place at the Bach Dang River, near Halong Bay in northern Vietnam.[1]

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At the Battle of Bạch Đằng River in 938 near Hạ Long Bay in northern Vietnam the rebel Annamese forces, led by Ngô Quyền defeated the invading forces of the Southern Han state of China and put an end to centuries of Chinese imperial domination in Vietnam during the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period.[3]

The next river battle took place in 981AD... a link to it


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The Battle of Bạch Đằng River or the Song – Đại Cồ Việt War of 981 was a military conflict between the Song dynasty of China and the Early Lê dynasty of Vietnam at the Bach Dang River in January to April 981. It resulted in a victory for Đại Cồ Việt over the Chinese forces.

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At the end of 979, Vietnamese emperor Đinh Tiên Hoàng and crown prince Đinh Liễn of Đinh dynasty were assassinated. In May 980, the Song dynasty ambassador to Đại Cồ Việt reported this incident to the Song emperor. In August of 980 Hou Renbao, Governor of Nanning, requested the Song emperor for permission to invade Vietnam. Emperor Taizong accepted this.

The third battle on the Bach Dang river was in 1288AD and the Mongols are the invaders if they only knew history as well... two Links



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The Battle of Bạch Đằng, which took place at the Bach Dang River, near Ha Long Bay in present-day northern Vietnam, was a battle between Đại Việt and the invading army of the Yuan Dynasty. It is considered part of the Third Mongol Invasion (1287-88).

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The Battle of Bạch Đằng (Vietnamese: Trận Bạch Đằng, Chữ nôm: 陣白藤) was one of the greatest victories in Vietnamese military history. It was a navy battle between Đại Việt, commanded by Commander-in-Chief Prince Trần Hưng Đạo[2], and the invading army of the Yuan dynasty, commanded by general Omar Khan on the Bạch Đằng River (today Quảng Ninh province). The Battle of Bạch Đằng was the last confrontation between Đại Việt and the Yuan dynasty.[3] The battle took place at the Bạch Đằng River, near Ha Long Bay in present-day northern Vietnam. The battle was a tactical masterpiece of the same stature as the other battle at Bach Dang River.

I was not able to find a good video about this battle there used to be one on Youtube but I can not find it. I ask why did not the Confederates use the Poles on their rivers to stop Union gunboats
 

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I like to point the Spanish sent three Armadas to invade England in a ten years period and bankrupt their nation doing it. A Link:


I like to point out the Mongols sent out like four large fleets and as far as I can tell did not bankrupt their nation.

Snip... We know the Mongols tried to invade Japan twice...


Kamikaze of 1274 and 1281, (1274, 1281), a pair of massive typhoons (tropical cyclones) that each wrecked a Mongol fleet attempting to invade Japan in 1274 and 1281. The storms destroyed most of the Mongol ships and dispersed the rest, forcing the attackers to abandon their plans and fortuitously saving Japan from foreign conquest.

Snip... Mongols tried to invade Vietnam...


The Battle of Bạch Đằng, which took place at the Bach Dang River, near Ha Long Bay in present-day northern Vietnam, was a battle between Đại Việt and the invading army of the Yuan Dynasty. It is considered part of the Third Mongol Invasion (1287-88).

Snip... The Mongols tried to invade Indonesia. It did the best of the four invasion fleets sent out by Kublai Khan...


The Mongol invasion of Java was a military effort made by Kublai Khan, founder of the Yuan dynasty (the leading fragment of the Mongol Empire), to invade Java, an island in modern Indonesia. In 1293, he sent a large invasion fleet to Java with 20,000[5] to 30,000 soldiers. This was a punitive expedition against King Kertanegara of Singhasari, who had refused to pay tribute to the Yuan and maimed one of its ministers. However, it ended with failure for the Mongols and victory for Singhasari.

As far as I know Kublai Khan did not bankrupt his nation when he died in 1294. Think about the wealth in china...

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The Mongol Empire during the reign of Mongke Khan (r.1251-59)
 

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Has anybody posted about the battle of Midway? It's one of the most game-changing battles in modern history, ending Japan's march of conquest and switching the roles of America and Japan in the Pacific theater in WW2. Thanks to the American codebreakers at station Hypo, Admiral Nimitz was able to set an ambush for Admiral Yamamoto at Midway atoll. The US Navy sank four Japanese carriers and killed a large number of Japanese pilots, severely damaging the Japanese navy's offensive capability and forcing Japan into a defensive posture. From that point in the war going forward, though difficult for the US to achieve, the outcome was inevitable.
 
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Here is the battle that ceded the Holy Lands to Muslim armies... The battle lasted for six days between the Byzantines and the Arabs... The clash was called the Battle of Yarmouk with the great Arab General Khalid ibn al-Walid versus the Armenian General Vahan...


The Battle of Yarmouk was a major battle between the army of the Byzantine Empire and the Muslim forces of the Rashidun Caliphate. The battle consisted of a series of engagements that lasted for six days in August 636, near the Yarmouk River, along what are now the borders of Syria–Jordan and Syria–Israel, east of the Sea of Galilee. The result of the battle was a complete Muslim victory that ended Byzantine rule in Syria. The Battle of Yarmouk is regarded as one of the most decisive battles in military history,[7][8] and it marked the first great wave of early Muslim conquests after the death of Muhammad, heralding the rapid advance of Islam into the then Christian Levant.
To check the Arab advance and to recover lost territory, Emperor Heraclius had sent a massive expedition to the Levant in May 636. As the Byzantine army approached, the Arabs tactically withdrew from Syria and regrouped all their forces at the Yarmouk plains close to the Arabian Peninsula, where they were reinforced and defeated the numerically superior Byzantine army. The battle is Khalid ibn al-Walid's greatest military victory and cemented his reputation as one of the greatest tacticians and cavalry commanders in history.


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The Imperial Byzantine commanders allowed their enemy to have the battlefield of his choosing. Even then, they were at no substantial tactical disadvantage.[51] Khalid knew all along that he was up against a force superior in numbers and, until the last day of the battle, conducted an essentially defensive campaign, suited to his relatively limited resources. When he decided to take the offensive and attack on the final day of battle, he did so with a degree of imagination, foresight and courage that none of the Byzantine commanders managed to display. Although he commanded a smaller force and needed all the men he could muster, he had the confidence and foresight to dispatch a cavalry regiment the night before his assault to seal off a critical path of the retreat that he had anticipated for the enemy army.[79]

Here another take on the battle... short animation of the battle at the link...


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The battle may have had a different result had Vahan used his cavalry reserve when it was needed most. Vahan launched three offensives aimed at breaking the Rashidun lines, all of which only marginally failed because Khalid effectively used the force at his disposal in a variety of ways. The reason for the Byzantine cavalry’s inactivity has yet to be properly explained. Although these marginal, defensive victories by the Rashiduns were only able to take place because of their superiority in morale and motivation, the Byzantine soldiers fought just as fiercely. The majority of the Byzantines did not flee until the situation was clearly hopeless and even then, they did not go quietly. .

Here is a video...


 

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Another massively decisive battle missing from this list is the battle of Hastings. This battle only changed the face of western Europe. In 1066, William's victory over Harold put in place the monarchy that still is in place today. It was also the crowning achievement of the Viking conquests - the Norman aristocracy were all descendants of the Vikings who, under Rollo, had conquered Normandy in the 9th century.
 

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Another massively decisive battle missing from this list is the battle of Hastings. This battle only changed the face of western Europe. In 1066, William's victory over Harold put in place the monarchy that still is in place today. It was also the crowning achievement of the Viking conquests - the Norman aristocracy were all descendants of the Vikings who, under Rollo, had conquered Normandy in the 9th century.
you want to have a look at all the times when that
monarchy that still is in place today
had to come up with a new dynasty
 

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you want to have a look at all the times when that

had to come up with a new dynasty
New dynasty, yes. But the same throne (meaning kingdom). Had to come up with new regalia, too, thanks to Cromwell.
 

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Here is a battle that sowed the seeds for Holland.... The Battle of Vlaardingen in 1018AD... you either have to watch the video about the course of the battle or read the link...


The (First) Battle of Vlaardingen was fought on 29 July 1018 between troops of the Holy Roman Empire and West Frisia (which would later become known as the County of Holland). As a result of a trade dispute, Emperor Henry II sent an army towards West Frisia to subdue the rebellious Count Dirk III. However, the Imperial army was decisively defeated and fled in panic.

Knowledge of the battle is based on three chronicles, written shortly after the date: De diversitate temporum by the monk Alpertus of Metz, the Chronicon of Thietmar, bishop of Merseburg, and in the Cambrai Bishop's Chronicle. Also, recent archaeological discoveries shed some light on Vlaardingen in the 11th century.

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In the early Middle Ages, Vlaardingen was part of the Holy Roman Empire. The emperor at that time was Henry II. The north-western part of the empire, Lower Lotharingia, was ruled by Duke Godfrey of Verdun. Frisia, the most peripheral part of the duchy, fell under the office of Adalbold, bishop of Utrecht, and under Dirk III, to whom the coastal defence in the west had been delegated. Count Dirk had his power base in Vlaardingen, along the banks of the Merwede, where it merged with the Maas River.

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Emperor Henry II organised his expedition against the Frisians and their count for two reasons. Firstly, the emperor wanted to clear the trade route between the port of Tiel and England: Dirk III forced the sailors who passed by on the Merwede to pay a heavy tribute, and thus he endangered commerce and the tax incomes of the emperor. Secondly, the rebellious count had illegally occupied lands that were claimed by the bishop of Utrecht, and had even built a castle there. The bishoprics of Liege, Trier, and Cologne as well as several abbeys also had possessions in the region.

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After the battle, the opponents hurried to make peace again. Duke Godfrey was released promptly, and he arranged a reconciliation between Bishop Adelbold and Count Dirk III. Both parties probably realised that the defence of the Frisian coast against possible Viking attacks was more important than the quarrels between themselves.

Nothing is known about the arrangements that the opposing parties made. It is likely that Dirk III had to make some concessions in order to obtain reconciliation, but concessions too were made on their part by the bishop and the emperor. One of which being, perhaps, that a promise was given to leave the count alone. In any event, no more armed conflicts have been recorded along the banks of the Merwede for three decades after the Battle of Vlaardingen.

The Battle of Vlaardingen can be considered as the starting point for a greater de facto autonomy of the later County of Holland. In 1018, in Vlaardingen, Dirk III demonstrated that he would not be told what to do by any overlords. Later in the 11th century, German kings and emperors, and the bishops of Utrecht, made further attempts to subdue the counts of West Frisia. They almost succeeded when Duke Godfrey 'the Hunchback' and Bishop William drove the young Count Dirk V out of Frisia. However, Dirk regained his county, with the help of the Flemish Count Robert. In February 1076 they killed the duke and in June 1076 they defeated the bishop in the Battle of IJsselmonde


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Did you know the Arab armies and Chinese armies meet in central Asia and fought for control of it, even Tibet was involved?

The Battle of Aksu(717AD)

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The Battle of Aksu was fought between Arabs of the Umayyad Caliphate and their Turgesh and Tibetan Empire allies against the Tang dynasty of China. In 717 AD, the Arabs, guided by their Turgesh allies, besieged Buat-ɦuɑn (Aksu) and Dai-dʑiᴇk-dʑiᴇŋ (Uqturpan) in the Aksu region of Xinjiang. Tang troops backed by their protectorates in the region attacked and routed the besieging Arabs forcing them to retreat.[

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The first encounter between the Tang Chinese and the Umayyad Arabs had occurred in 715 AD when Ikhshid, the king of Fergana Valley, was deposed with the help of the Arabs of the Umayyad Caliphate and a new king Alutar was installed on the throne. The deposed king fled to Kucha (seat of Anxi Protectorate), and sought Chinese intervention. The Chinese sent 10,000 troops under Zhang Xiaosong to Ferghana. He defeated Alutar and the Arab occupation force at Namangan and reinstalled Ikhshid on the throne.[1] In 717 AD the Arabs attacked Transoxiana again hoping to capture the Tang dynasty's Four Garrisons of Anxi district.[1]

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As a result of the battle, the Arabs were expelled from Northern Transoxiana. The Turgesh submitted to the Tang and subsequently attacked the Arabs in Ferghana. For their loyalty, the Tang emperor conferred imperial titles on the Turgesh khagan Suluk and awarded him the city of Suyab.[8] With Chinese backing, the Turgesh launched punitive attacks into Arab territory eventually wresting all of Ferghana from the Arabs with the exception of a few forts.


I found the short summary of the Arab and Chinese interactions ....


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God cast terror into the hearts of the Chinese. Victory descended, and the unbelievers were put to flight. [5]

"This is the end of the Chinese army. Now will the law of the Prophet prevail over this vast land, from Arabia to the wall of China itself.” [
 

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Here is the battle between the Arabs and Chinese that changed the world forever and little does anyone knows that.


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The Battle of Talas or Battle of Artlakh (Chinese: 怛羅斯戰役; pinyin: dáluósī zhànyì; Arabic: معركة نهر طلاس‎) was a military engagement between the Abbasid Caliphate along with its ally, the Tibetan Empire, against the Chinese Tang dynasty. In July 751 AD, Tang and Abbasid forces met in the valley of the Talas River to vie for control over the Syr Darya region of central Asia. After several days of stalemate, the Karluk Turks, originally allied to the Tang, defected to the Abbasids and tipped the balance of power, resulting in a Tang rout.

The defeat marked the end of the Tang westward expansion and resulted in Muslim control of Transoxiana for the next 400 years. Control of the region was economically beneficial for the Abbasids because it was on the Silk Road. Historians debate whether or not Chinese prisoners captured in the aftermath of the battle brought paper-making technology to the Middle East, where it eventually spread to Europe


Snip... Paper making technology was given to the west... the event that changed the world...

The Battle of Talas was a key event in the technological transmission of paper-making. After the battle of Talas, knowledgeable Chinese prisoners of war were ordered to produce paper in Samarkand, or so the story goes.[47] In fact, high quality paper had been known—and made—in Central Asia for centuries; a letter on paper survives from the fourth century to a merchant in Samarkand, but the Islamic conquest of Central Asia in the late seventh and early eighth centuries opened up this knowledge for the first time to what became the Muslim world. By the year 794 AD, paper manufacturing could be found in Baghdad, modern-day Iraq. The technology of paper making was thus transmitted to and revolutionized the Islamic world, and later the European West.[48] The paper production was a state secret, and only some places and Buddhist Monks knew the technology. Of course, the paper was transported many kilometers as a Chinese luxury product, and as it was traded, the finding of paper in several places is not proof of production, but merely of use.

snip... the battle marked the beginning of the end of Buddhism in central Asia...

The Battle of Talas did not mark the end of Buddhism or Chinese influence in the region. The Buddhist Kara-Khitan Khanate defeated the Muslim Seljuq Turks and the Muslim Kara-Khanid Turks at the Battle of Qatwan in 1141, conquering a large part of Central Asia from the Muslim Karluk Kara-Khanid Khanate in the 12th century. The Kara-Khitans also reintroduced the Chinese system of Imperial government, since China was still held in respect and esteem in the region among even the Muslim population,[39][40] and the Kara-Khitans used Chinese as their main official language.[41] The Kara-Khitan rulers were called "the Chinese" by the Muslims.[4

Here is why China withdraw form central Asia... a rebellion back home...


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Millward notes, however, that it was not Gao’s defeat at Talas that forced the Chinese to retreat from Central Asia. Instead, before Gao could return to his unfinished business with the Abbasids, the An Lushan rebellion shattered Tang control of the west. “The An Lushan rebellion in the Tang homelands necessitated a pullback from Tang outposts in Xinjiang,” Millward writes. “Although the Tang dynasty survived the An Lushan rebellion, it would never extend power as far west as Xinjiang.” The battle of Talas, lacking any greater strategic importance, is nonetheless a key piece of Central Asia’s history and provides a crucial lesson that in matters of war and empire, timing is everything.

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Within the next 250 years, most of the formerly Buddhist, Hindu, Zoroastrian, and Nestorian Christian tribes of Central Asia had become Muslim.

Soon, paper-making factories sprang up in Samarkand, Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo, Delhi... and in 1120 the first European paper mill was established in Xativa, Spain (now called Valencia). From these Arab-dominated cities, the technology spread to Italy, Germany, and across Europe.


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A good video of the battle and the led up and aftermath...

 

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The Battle of the Kalka River was part of the worlds longest cavalry raid in the history of mankind. It also had the character of General Jackson's romp through the Shenandoah Valley defeating numerous armies along the way. It the Mongols holding the record...


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The Battle of the Kalka River (Ukrainian: Битва на річці Калка, Russian: Битва на реке Калке) was fought between the Mongol Empire, whose armies were led by Jebe and Subutai the Valiant, and a coalition of several Rus' principalities, including Kiev and Galich, and the Cumans. They were under the joint command of Mstislav the Bold and Mstislav III of Kiev. The battle was fought on May 31, 1223 on the banks of the Kalka River in present-day Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, and ended in a decisive Mongol victory.

Following the Mongol invasion of Central Asia and the subsequent collapse of the Khwarezmian Empire, a Mongol force under the command of generals Jebe and Subutai advanced into Iraq-i Ajam. Jebe requested permission from the Mongolian emperor, Genghis Khan, to continue his conquests for a few years before returning to the main army via the Caucasus. While waiting for Genghis Khan's reply, the duo set out on a raid in which they attacked the Kingdom of Georgia. Genghis Khan granted the duo permission to undertake their expedition, and after making their way through the Caucasus, they defeated a coalition of Caucasian tribes before defeating the Cumans. The Cuman Khan fled to the court of his son-in-law, Prince Mstislav the Bold of Galich, whom he convinced to help fight the Mongols. Mstislav the Bold formed an alliance of the Rus' princes including Mstislav III of Kiev.

The combined Rus' army defeated the Mongol rearguard at first. The Rus' pursued the Mongols, who were in a feigned retreat, for several days, which spread out their armies. The Mongols stopped and assumed battle formation on the banks of the Kalka River. Mstislav the Bold and his Cuman allies attacked the Mongols without waiting for the rest of the Rus' army and were defeated. In the ensuing confusion, several other Rus' princes were defeated, and Mstislav of Kiev was forced to retreat to a fortified camp. After holding for three days, he surrendered in return for a promise of safe conduct for himself and his men. Once they surrendered, however, the Mongols slaughtered them and executed Mstislav of Kiev. Mstislav the Bold escaped, and the Mongols went back to Asia, where they joined Genghis Khan.


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Following this victory, the Mongols turned east and met Genghis Khan and the rest of the Mongol army in the steppes to the east of the Syr Darya River. Genghis Khan showed great appreciation for his generals' achievements and heaped praise on Jebe and Subutai. Jebe, however, did not survive the campaign long; he died soon afterwards.[46] The importance of the expedition was immense. The expedition was history's longest cavalry raid, with the Mongols riding 5,500 miles (8,900 km) in three years. Subutai also stationed numerous spies in Russia, who provided frequent reports on what was happening in Europe and Russia.[47]

Snip... it set up the Mongol Invasion of the Rus...

In 1237 Subutai together with Batu led another attack, and with 120,000 men conquered the Kievan Rus'.

This link is more details about the two fighting forces were organized...


Here is a good video of the Longest Cavalry Raid....

 

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I want to point out to @diane that it's the Mongols not Forrest with the greatest raid in history...
 

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:D Have to say it's hard to beat the Mongols on anything! Forrest would have taken pointers from them...if he'd ever heard of them...
 
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