Lee's Army Becomes Slave Hunters

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That is a good article. For a really long time it's been hidden history - I had never heard of it until recently and I'd read a lot about Gettysburg. If I was a Northern black and heard the ANV was headed my way, I'd hit the road! But many stayed to fight. Black refugees are one group of people it's hard to get the numbers on. I think more of them died than we'll ever know.
 

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That is a good article. For a really long time it's been hidden history - I had never heard of it until recently and I'd read a lot about Gettysburg. If I was a Northern black and heard the ANV was headed my way, I'd hit the road! But many stayed to fight. Black refugees are one group of people it's hard to get the numbers on. I think more of them died than we'll ever know.
I was once put in the penalty box for 24 hours at the old place for posting a similar thread and calling a few lost causers some interesting names for claiming it never happened.
 

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I was once put in the penalty box for 24 hours at the old place for posting a similar thread and calling a few lost causers some interesting names for claiming it never happened.
Can't be telling the truth now! That's a time-out for you and take Pat with you!

I will give Lee credit for not being enthused about it - he'd been given the extra mission by Davis, who had caved to the planters. (Which tells you all you need to know about the war's cause.) He wasn't about to turn his army into a posse - but quite a few of his partisan companions really made stumbling blocks of themselves by making self-enrichment a priority. Lee wanted to keep his focus on what really mattered - we don't win the war it doesn't matter if we bring back runaways!
 

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This single episode is why I don't care if monuments to the rebels are taken down outside the battlefields. In the battlefield they help explain the battle and honor only the military facet of the rebels. In southern towns and cities, the statues to high level rebels are fair game. I would not like to see statues or monuments to ordinary soldiers and their units disturbed. But they can have the bigwigs because those men knew they were fighting for slavery and made a point of putting the cause of slavery in their declarations and constitutions.
 

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In fact it was a certain @jgoodguy who banished me for being a bad boy.
That's funny - even if the names fit you can't use them! Even Robert E Lee would wonder if these adherents of the St Robert of Lee catechism weren't a little tetched. The attitude of his senior officers - who saw with their own eyes - reflected the racial tones of the times and why some awful disasters happened - they just turned a blind eye. Slave trading Forrest once found a Union freedman's village and promptly destroyed it, sending the occupants back to his superiors to be returned or sold. They were in a world of hurt - his raid was on a Union depot for supplies....which happened to be going to the village. They were actually glad to see Forrest - that's how bad things were there!
 

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I was once put in the penalty box for 24 hours at the old place for posting a similar thread and calling a few lost causers some interesting names for claiming it never happened.
The free black selling into slavery never happened.
 

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That's funny - even if the names fit you can't use them! Even Robert E Lee would wonder if these adherents of the St Robert of Lee catechism weren't a little tetched. The attitude of his senior officers - who saw with their own eyes - reflected the racial tones of the times and why some awful disasters happened - they just turned a blind eye. Slave trading Forrest once found a Union freedman's village and promptly destroyed it, sending the occupants back to his superiors to be returned or sold. They were in a world of hurt - his raid was on a Union depot for supplies....which happened to be going to the village. They were actually glad to see Forrest - that's how bad things were there!
St Lee was ordered to round up any blacks his any came across and ship them south to determine their status. The was a law passed just before Gettysberg ordering the army to round up any blacks they came across and send them to depots for their status to be determined. I am sure the CSA lawmakers were not thinking of Pennsylvania when they passed the law but rounding up fugitive slaves closer to home, but orders are orders.
 

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This single episode is why I don't care if monuments to the rebels are taken down outside the battlefields. In the battlefield they help explain the battle and honor only the military facet of the rebels. In southern towns and cities, the statues to high level rebels are fair game. I would not like to see statues or monuments to ordinary soldiers and their units disturbed. But they can have the bigwigs because those men knew they were fighting for slavery and made a point of putting the cause of slavery in their declarations and constitutions.
Monuments in public spaces seem to be an endangered species now.
 

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Can't be telling the truth now! That's a time-out for you and take Pat with you!

I will give Lee credit for not being enthused about it - he'd been given the extra mission by Davis, who had caved to the planters. (Which tells you all you need to know about the war's cause.) He wasn't about to turn his army into a posse - but quite a few of his partisan companions really made stumbling blocks of themselves by making self-enrichment a priority. Lee wanted to keep his focus on what really mattered - we don't win the war it doesn't matter if we bring back runaways!
I agree with that, but for the most part foraging parties could pick up stray blacks as well as cattle. IMHO Lee really did not care until he had to retreat with all his prisoners to carry along. As an aside, the Union refused to parole or swap prisoners.
 

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That's true about the foragers. Forrest just took it as a given. Whenever his men encountered blacks, they scooped them up and sent them off, their situations to be determined by somebody else. I do give Forrest a few bent points for not profiting from it or letting his men do so. Longstreet knew Jones and some other partisans were rounding up anybody for sale but he happened to be polishing his boot top when they passed by with them. John Hunt Morgan was known to sell slaves to get a little extra money for his operations.

I'm a little iffy about no free blacks being sold, too. Forrest, for instance, had a fellow who claimed he was free but the guy he was working for had run off with their luggage, which included his papers. Forrest could have inquired but he didn't - off the man went! (Before the war he wasn't above being a little lax about paperwork - the marshal once busted him for selling six slaves who weren't slaves!)
 

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If you really believe that, I have some land in the Sahara I'd like to sell you.
All I know is that there is no tangible support for free blacks sold into slavery by Lee's army. Some individual soldiers had the notion, but orders were to have them sent to headquarters. We have evidence of free blacks getting freed by prisoner exchanges and church ministers.

Is there oil under that land in the Sahara?

We do have evidence of Northerners selling free blacks in slavery.
 

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All I know is that there is no tangible support for free blacks sold into slavery by Lee's army. Some individual soldiers had the notion, but orders were to have them sent to headquarters. We have evidence of free blacks getting freed by prisoner exchanges and church ministers.

Is there oil under that land in the Sahara?

We do have evidence of Northerners selling free blacks in slavery.
So the CSA congress goes to the trouble of debating and passing the law for the armies to "capture" black folks and and ship them south, and, out of an abundance of fairness and generosity disposed of all the captives in exchanges and freedom after "ascertaining their status" and none were sold or even given away to plantation owners? Then what on God's good earth could possibly have been the reason for the bill? You don't suppose that all those country boys in the ANV could instantly, on sight, tell a free black from a runaway, do you? So, the notion that free blacks weren't targets is absurd. And if they were indeed free, then their "capture" was kidnapping, in itself a crime. And it beggars belief to think that as many as possible were not sold to plantation owners - the very men who promulgated the bill ordering their capture. You think their motive was just to piss the north off?
 

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An article by @PatYoung about the Army Of Northern Virginia kidnapping free blacks in the north and sending them south to be sold as slaves.

The real reason free blacks were kidnapped is that with the high death rate of Southern young men their sisters were now lonely and cranky. The poor Confederate soldiers needed someone to get their sisters out of the house and be happy.
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